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Flash steam | 39 comments (38 topical, 1 editorial)
Re: Flash steam (3.00 / 1) (#22)
by hvirtane (hannu_markus_virtanen(at)yahoo(dot)com) on Sun Jun 29th, 2003 at 05:21:00 PM MST
(User Info) http://web.archive.org/web/20050404022706/www.cc.jyu.fi/~hvirtane/cooker/

I started to think that there should be first
(after the water pressure tank)
a parabolic trough mirror heater to heat the water.

There would be a ball valve
to stop water going back, if it starts boiling in that area.
So there would be already some real steam power for the
flash chamber.

Then there would be the real flash chamber, heated with
a point focusing parabolic mirror. The water would
come in trough a small hole, with a needle valve.

The focusing mirror can be going around
with the same clockwork and axle as the trough mirror.

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To Troy:

If a point focusing parabolic mirror is moving the same
way as a trough mirror we have no need to
track it with altitude and azimuth?

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How to make parabolic mirrors cheaply even in rural
areas, there are many drawings, if you
look at my pages with my 'user info'.

More drawings are available for example here:
http://www.solarcooking.org/

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How to pump water high up?

Maybe the best way is to use solar.
I've given some ideas how to build simple
solar pumps earlier.
Please look at my earlier comments.

- Hannu



Re: Flash steam (4.00 / 1) (#23)
by troy on Mon Jun 30th, 2003 at 03:08:51 PM MST
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Any dish mirror that brings the suns rays to a single point focus must be tracked in two axes very precisely, just like a telescope, which, come to think of it, uses a parabolic dish mirror.

The parabolic trough only needs vertical tracking, as the focal "point" is a long tube, so it doesn't matter where on the receiver tube the sun hits, so that lets you out of dual axis tracking.

Best regards,

troy

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Re: Flash steam (4.00 / 1) (#24)
by hvirtane (hannu_markus_virtanen(at)yahoo(dot)com) on Mon Jun 30th, 2003 at 04:45:05 PM MST
(User Info) http://web.archive.org/web/20050404022706/www.cc.jyu.fi/~hvirtane/cooker/

"Any dish mirror that brings the suns rays
to a single point focus
must be tracked in two axes very precisely,
just like a telescope, which,
come to think of it, uses a parabolic dish mirror."

Please see:

http://www.geocities.com/davidmdelaney/scheffler-precis/scheffler-precis.html

An extract from that text:

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The optical system of Scheffler's community
solar cooker forms  a heliostat.   
An article on heliostats in the eleventh edition (1910)
of the Encyclopaedia Brittanica defines
a heliostat as "an instrument which will reflect
the rays of the sun in a fixed direction
notwithstanding the motion of the sun.
The optical  apparatus generally consists of
a mirror mounted on an axis parallel
to the axis of the earth, and rotated with
the same angular velocity as the sun."

The heliostat of Scheffler's cooker
comprises a primary reflector,
a secondary reflector, and a clockwork
powered by gravity or photovoltaic panels.
The primary reflector  produces a converging
beam of sunlight aligned with an axis of rotation
which is parallel to the axis of the earth,
and which passes through the centers of
both reflectors.  The clockwork  rotates
the primary reflector around its axis of rotation
at a rate of one revolution per day,
keeping the reflected beam aligned
with the axis of rotation as the sun moves. 
The fixed secondary reflector reflects
the beam from the primary reflector onto
a cooking pot or frying surface.
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This kind of movement needs seasonal adjustments,
however. The movement around the axis must be
precise of course.

Scheffler reflectors are are providing an example,
which kind of simple powerful solar devices can
be constructed. Even a 'normal' small steam engine
boiler can be powered with these reflectors, of course.

- Hannu

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