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Flash steam | 39 comments (38 topical, 1 editorial)
tiny experiments (4.00 / 1) (#34)
by hvirtane (hannu_markus_virtanen(at)yahoo(dot)com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2003 at 08:37:44 AM MST
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I just made the first experiments with
the flash steam (solar) turbine.

I got from a friend a tiny tin toy turbine.

I connected that with a coffeemaker,
where I extended the
tube where the hot water and steam comes out,
with a plastic pipe,
which goes into the inlet tube of the turbine.

It works well.
There is very little power, of
course, because the turbine
is made with the vanes
of flat metal sheets.
About 5 cm in diameter.
But it goes fast.

I will later send pictures of this experiment
when I get my film from a lab.

Basically the coffee maker works exactly
with the principle as described earlier.

I think that Andrew's suggestions
are just right.
As the flash tube, a metal tube works
and we need no pressure to get water in.

There is a small very hot chamber and
a ball valve letting
the cool water to come in to the hot tube.
The other end of the hot tube is open.

That system of the coffee maker
of course works with electric heating
for the hot chamber.

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But you can use any heat of course.
Solar heat, too.
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If you will try to duplicate the experiment you
might have to modify the valve, which lets
the water in to the hot tube.
Mine was just suitable
broken so that it lets the water in as small droplets,
when the water is quite finishing.
Or maybe the extra pressure from the extended
tube made the valve leaking.

Next I have to ask somebody to make for me
a little bit bigger turbine,
which I could connect to a bicycle dynamo.

I will maybe visit a workshop
to ask them about the prices to make a small
crossflow turbine.
Or a Pelton wheel as suggested by Andrew.

I've got one solar concentrating mirror
of 80 cm in diameter,
made of a satellite antenna.
Glued a kind of chromium tape on it.

I've once tried to run a toy piston steam engine
(with a normal boiler) with that mirror.
It works well.

Of course this kind of solar turbine is quite
inefficient, however good technology
we will use for the turbine wheel,
but that is not necessarily
a problem. Solar energy is practically unlimited.

The main thing is to make the system cheap and
possible to be built with really low level
technology so that any blacksmith in developing
countries can make it.

The clockwork for moving solar mirror is maybe
the trickiest part of the project, but
Scheffler lens people have already shown how
to make a clockwork simple using mainly
bicycle parts.
(Please see the link provided above.)

- hv



Re: tiny experiments (3.00 / 0) (#39)
by Kwazai (mswayze@truswood.com include otherpower in subject) on Wed Nov 8th, 2006 at 07:21:22 AM MST
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I've run across a large fiberglass satellite dish (free)and had some ideas for flash steam- the 10ft standpipe is to regulate the pressure (approx. 50psi--10ft water depth). I am hoping that someone on this list has some links in regards to sizing the colector and flash tube boiler section(pipe)(I have several sizes of copper pipe available to use). The turbine I'm still not sure about either- at only 50 psi a tesla type is out and I had thought about converting some auto a.i.r pump, but haven't diasassembled one yet.
Mike

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Re: tiny experiments (none / 0) (#35)
by James Newton on Wed Aug 27th, 2003 at 11:18:42 AM MST
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I'm very interested to see your pictures. I hope you haven't given up on this idea.

One concern I have is to the cost of the turbine and the safety of the high pressure connection between the boiler and the turbine.

Have you considered using an existing motorcycle engine with the intake valve blocked, a standard fuel injector in the sparkplug hole to feed water rather than fuel, and the exaust valve modified to stay open until top dead center (to avoid pressure during injection). If you apply heat to the head (the fins make that easy) then you should be able to get a nice burst of steam inside the cylinder (designed for high pressure) on each water injection.

That should be easy to try. Just open the head and snap off the intake valve stem with a hammer or grind it down, then adjust the timing so the exaust valve closes much later and grind off part of the exaust cam so that it opens at the same time. Bodge some way of inserting the fuel injector into the spark plug hole and wire it to fire at TDC.

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