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Christmas Lighting | 11 comments (11 topical)
Re: Christmas Lighting (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by nothing to lose on Mon Nov 29, 2004 at 05:21:58 AM MST

The other guys gave more detailed info but this is simple and what I do many times.

Take a few 1.5v batteries like AA, C, D ect.. and try one led. If it lights nicely and does not burn out then 1.5V is what to use. So wire 8 leds in series for 12Vdc  or 4 leds for 6Vdc ect.. If they don't light then take one out.
 If the leds do not light at 1.5v then I connect 4 leds in series and 3 batteries, That's about 6Vs of leds on 4.5Vdc source, if works nicely I use that, if not I take out 1 led and see if that works, if not I take out another.

Nice to know that a color LED is 1.8V and white is 3V, you can add that up for close to the correct volts then go an extra led or two for safty. Then if not working take out 1 led or two if needed. 12vdc source with all color leds then should be 6.66 leds, 7 should work nicely and not fry them. Myself I would rather heve the extra light instead of wasting the power with a resister.
For all White at 3V that would be 4 leds even at 12v.

I would like to point out that as I recall the leds Christmas lights I used "SEEMED" to be a little different than normal ones. They may be the same 1.8V for colors but I think they seemed to be a little over maybe. Been a year, so not sure. This year I can't find them, I have 1/2 a string I never used yet  but where did they go?? Any way I think the ones I had worked fine at 1.5-2v each.

Also
"but LED Christmas lights are fixed, they cannot be removed and switched around like the traditional ones"

Either I read that wrong or you have something a bit different than I had. My string was exactly like normal little twinkle lights except they were leds instead. They had they little sockets, pull them out and the led leads were bent around the sides same as the twinkle lights. Just pull the leads straight and pull them out of the holder. I could put any light in any holder, mine were all color leds. No whites.
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nothing to lose

Spelin and tpying are my strong points, not electronics.



Re: Christmas Lighting (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by richhagen on Mon Nov 29, 2004 at 04:34:10 PM MST

I would recommend placing resistance in series with the LED's as when they fail, they often do so by shorting.  If you have nothing to limit the current, your whole string would likely fail with the first LED.  I like Nando's evaluation.  If you can get an efficient switching 12 volt (or other low voltage) supply, like from an old lap top or such, use that to provide your 12 volts, and then run your LED's in series with a resistor off of that (V = I*R).  

The color of light given off by an LED is generally a function of the voltage drop.  Blue light has a higher frequency than red light. The energy in a photon of light is equal to the frequency of the light times a constant value or ratio, which is called Plank's Constant.  Since the speed of light is the same for all frequencies, the energy could also be described as being equal to Planck's Constant multiplied by the Speed of light and divided by the wavelength.   Thus a photon of blue light has more energy than a photon of red light.  Energy is conserved across the P/N junction.  so the voltage drop for a red LED is less, often about 1.7 volts compared with a blue, often about 3.6 volts.  White LED's are actually blue or ultraviolet leds with a phosphor coating which absorbs most of the generated wavelength and re-transmits the energy as a combination of wavelengths of lower energy.  Think of a rainbow, the light wavelengths have more energy as you travel from the red to the purple side.  LED's follow the exact same pattern, with highest voltage drops on the ultraviolet end and lowest on the infrared end.  The differences with LED's are that there is internal resistance in the LED itself, the amount depending upon how it is made, which can cause a higher voltage to be required across the leads than is actually required to generate the LED's light frequency for any practical amount of current.    Rich Hagen
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