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Static Electricity Wind Generator | 19 comments (19 topical, editorial)
Re: Static Electricity Wind Generator (none / 0) (#1)
by John II (jjones2(at)inetvisions.net) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 04:10:38 AM MST
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You think too much ! .........  just joking  ; )

It's the wee hours of the morning, and I'm too tired to avail the effort right now to do the research... but I think it was Popular Science in one of their magazines around 1980 ran an article detailing how scientist toyed with the idea of having a sort of netting hung between poles. water was pumped on it.. and as the droplets dripped on it, the water droplets picked up static from being blown by the breeze, and this static charged water droplets was then used to produce electricty. So in short... others have at least considered this. Probably wouldn't work in subzero temps... haha

Some where laying around here, I also have a book, where the author shows how to build static electricity motors up to 1/4 hp in size that runs directly off of atmospheric static. His motors do not contain windings, but contains plates that repell each other by their electrostatic charges. He just used a long wire strung out like an antenna. Just naturally charged atmospheric air can produce quite abit of power..... It doesn't require much of a wind.... just a good breeze. There's what's known as ion storms which usually just proceeding rains, the air can be increadably charged when this happens. This is more noticiable in dryer climates then in high humidity climates. But often I have seen observed this effect in high humidity as well.

The problem with transfering static electricity down long transmission lines, is that it's just as eaisly lost and re-assorbed right back into the atmosphere !

As far as winding wind generators for higher voltages, just by reducing the diamenter of your wire in the windings, you can eaisly wire wind generators to produce up into the thousands of volts. Usually even if you wind them to produce even 200 to 400 volts allows for increadably long transmission lines. If you go to too high of a voltage, then your wire will become expensive because it would require extra high dilect insulated wire such as sparkplug wire.

With voltages in the 400 volt range which most lower cost wire can handle still will allow you to run reasonable power upto a mile or so with very low losses.

I myself find atmospheric static fun to consider.... because even distant lightning will produce huge surge voltages in a large longwire antenna, due to what's known as "electromagnetic induction" which is magnetic fields that the lightning creates. Then of course heavy ionic winds can cause your wire antenna to produce increadable arcs. There is potential power there. If you had two hill tops or high towers, and would string about an 1/8 mile of wire between them (you'd have to use steel such as gavanized electric fence wire) for it to be strong enough. Make sure it was broad sided as much as possible to your prevailing winds, and extablish a really good ground rod system. And don't hang around it during lightning storms !

Just my two 2 1/2 cents worth of thought at 4:00am   : )

John II



Re: Static Electricity Wind Generator (none / 0) (#2)
by franknbuger on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 08:10:31 AM MST
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   Hello!
  People have been using static wind charging for many years.Be careful the charge can get quite high.Below is a link to: "Capicitive Battery Charger".The more wire the more voltage.Let me know if this helps.As I always say please advise.
                                                Frankenbuger

    http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/capcharg.html

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Re: Static Electricity Wind Generator (none / 0) (#3)
by Electric Ed on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 02:58:46 PM MST
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My firewall (Zonealarm) doesn't like that site. Approach with caution.

Electric Ed

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Re: Static Electricity Wind Generator (none / 0) (#4)
by kell on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 05:31:15 PM MST
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The diagram doesn't quite agree with the text.  What's the right way to do it?

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Re: Static Electricity Wind Generator (none / 0) (#5)
by DakotaSIG on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 08:47:24 PM MST
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Yeah, I don't see how that would work as drawn either.
I haven't built one of these, but the way I understand them to work is to connect one side of the capacitor to the charge collector wire and the other side of the capacitor goes to ground. The spark plug, coil, and battery are all hooked in series and then placed in parallel with the capacitor. The spark plug gap is adjusted to limit the voltage on the capacitor so it doesn't break down. When the spark plug breaks down, the charge in the capacitor flows through the arc into the coil. The coil is only acting as an inductor not a transformer. The coil provides a place for the current pulse to go until it can be absorbed by the battery. No connection is made to the coil secondary.
Hopefully, somebody here has built one of these and can explain it better.
BTW, I think this was originally a Tesla idea (radiant energy), so look for a reference to Tesla patents.

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Re: Static Electricity Wind Generator (none / 0) (#7)
by HareBrained on Sat Apr 3rd, 2004 at 04:10:35 PM MST
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Thanks for the link, Frankenbuger, it looks interesting.

I had something in mind like the circuit on that page for collecting
the charge, but I guess I don't understand the effect that's being used
to charge up the long wire.  Is it coming from EM waves, using the wire
sort of like an antenna?

What I had in mind would actually use the wind to do some work, separating
oppositely charged ions from one another.  It wouldn't be free energy or
perpetual motion, just a new way to use the wind with a solid-state type
generator machine.

What I don't know is how many volts a segment of PVC pipe would build
up in the wind, or how many nanoamps you could expect to get from it.
I assume you would take it through an inductor of some kind in a buck-boost
type arrangment to collect charge in a capacitor and do some battery
charging.


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Re: Static Electricity Wind Generator (none / 0) (#9)
by DakotaSIG on Sat Apr 3rd, 2004 at 09:30:14 PM MST
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When the wind blows against trees, buildings, etc. it (the wind) becomes charged. Air rubbing against something will collect charge in the same way a rabbit fur rubbing on plastic collects charge. Air is an insulator just like pvc pipe, so the charged air molecules don't have any way to conduct their charge to ground. The static charger wire collects this charge when the wind blows the charged molecules against it. That's how the wire becomes charged. Hope this helps. :)


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Re: Static Electricity Wind Generator (none / 0) (#14)
by HareBrained on Sun Apr 4th, 2004 at 11:02:50 AM MST
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Right, that's how I understand static electricity works, but the two
pages seemed to be talking about "radiant energy" which is something
else.

I imagine you could wind a piece of bare wire around the PVC pipe, sort of
in a wide spiral with lots of room between the turns, as a way to collect
the charge from the surface of the pipe.  I am guessing that these "radiant
energy" collectors being described are collecting the static charge from
the insulation, but they require the charge to pass through
the insulation which might be reducing performance.  I would guess that
the strongest static charge would really be on the surface of the insulator
so it would be best to collect it from there.  Also, the use of a big
(4" diameter or so) pipe would give the wind lots of surface area to work
on.

Perhaps, though, the bare wire on the outside would interfere with the static
collection by returning some charge to the air.  So, maybe you'd need to
coat it with an insulator or bury it slightly in the PVC by using some
glue to dissolve the surface just below the wire.

Anyway, just more random thoughts... if I get some time it'd be fun to try
to build one of these.

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