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My New Wind Turbine | 16 comments (16 topical)
Re: My New Wind Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by DanB on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 11:08:58 AM MST

Hi Dave -

"How heavy do you estimate the completed mill to be  less blades ? "

I expect upwards of 200 pounds - just guessing.  heavy - well have to hoist it, or assemble it on the tower top.

"What will you use for the yaw bearing ? Mine is pipe over pipe with grease fittings and a  1/2 thick steel washer / welded on top as the bushing, the inner pipe is thick walled with very little slop and the unit is very nearly balanced and so far it is very smooth operating. "

Ill probably use a thrust bearing of some kind.  The steel washer like you've done would probably work OK too.  On matts we put in a throwout bearing from a clutch - that worked nicely.  I'll probalby look for something like that.

"I am using a rear tapered wheel bearing hub from a mini van that is plenty heavy enough for my 12' rotor but it is really hard starting in cold weather with regular wheel bearing grease, are you using different lubricant ?"

Ive heard complaints of that before - I've never noticed any problem with it personally.  I wonder if part of the problem is the fact that you have a single rotor machine, the bearing is allready under a fair load from the magnets attracting the stator.  You probably have some (though it may be minor) drag due to iron losses as well.  Just a little bit of drag like that will make it much slower to start - even if it does turn in a light wind, it will take much more time to come up to speed.  I question if it's the grease though - I've not noticed any affect from that in cold weather.

 "Also, what do you use if anything to help keep the blades from icing up ? Sorry for all the questions but you have extreme conditions there (as do we here in Western NY) and when this goes way up later this Spring it's going to be a little tougher to mess with than 10' off the ground as is now. "

I dont use anything to preven icing up.  Its happened a few times to me though - the machine usually sheds it pretty quick, and once it comes off 1 blade it seems to come off the other two almost at the same time, but it is one of those things I wonder about.

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Re: My New Wind Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Dave B on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 12:39:37 PM MST

Thanks Dan,
  Now that I think about it I'll bet part of the problem is the grease seal. When I rebuilt the bearing I installed a new grease seal also. I balanced the blades and hub together with the new bearing before grease and the seal and marked everything so I knew after greasing it all up and reinstalling the rotor and blades it would be very well balanced, and it is. I was never happy with the amount of resistance the rubber from the seal added to the drag but after swinging that 12' prop it didn't seem to matter much and certainly  on a car or van you wouldn't care or notice it at all. But, that was in warmer weather and as is the case it swings much easier when it's above freezing. Cold grease, cold rubber on the seal, single rotor I think it all adds up in the extreme weather. Changes will be made come Spring but I still like the single rotor with silicon laminates (thanks Ed.) Keep us informed Dan, your photos and reports help us all to learn much.  Dave B.

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Re: My New Wind Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by monte350c on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 01:36:07 PM MST

Hi Dan,

Looks interesting as most of your machines!

If you know the water jet guy you could have him make some cutouts in the rotors so you end up with sort of like 4 spoke mag wheels. With half inch plate there's lots of meat strength wise and you could probably knock about 30% off the weight of each rotor.

Ted.

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Re: My New Wind Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by RP on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 01:51:31 PM MST

Dan,

You spoke of 12V versus 48V.  I wonder if you could wind your stator with three strands of wire kind of like using dual 14gauge to get close to 11g wire.  If you wire it with three strands and keep track of the ends you could switch it later to 48 volt by re-wiring the strands in series on each coil.

I suppose if you were a glutton for punishment you could even do this remotely with a host of relays.  At the very least when you're ready to switch to 48volt you wouldn't have to replace the stator, just re-configure the starts and stops.

rp

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Re: My New Wind Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by farmerfrank on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 08:05:26 PM MST

What are you using for blade material?

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Re: My New Wind Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by DanB on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 08:40:26 AM MST

I thought about that... it would've cost a bit more.
No way I'd save 30% though...
The hub is 7" dia I think, the inside dia of the magnets is 10" - so there really isn't much space there to work with.

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Re: My New Wind Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by monte350c on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 04:20:35 PM MST

Sorry Dan - didn't think about the dimensions before I posted that. I guess this is one of those problems as things get larger in the wind business - they also get a lot heavier!

Ted.

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Re: My New Wind Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Gary D on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 06:02:47 AM MST

Can't wait for you to get this one proven out! Then hopefully off to ebay to sell a spare one(or forget ebay and offer em here under products)? Realizing it will probably be at least a year away tho... finances should be vastly improved here by then... Gary D.

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