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wind flex on bigger props help | 25 comments (25 topical)
Re: lamination (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by wdyasq on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 07:23:57 PM MST

Well Bill.

I guess you and I will have to disagree.  If so, the data I read from Gougeon Brothers is a lie.  I have tested it in my own shop.  I do laminate.  Laminates are more flexible. I am familiar with Simitar props and the twisting. In fact, Wittman used that to his advantage.

The aerobatic planes Jon Staudacher built had cantilever wings.  Like many small planes the tail surfaces were rod-in-tension braced.

I stated, 'Lamination will NOT increase stifness by itself.' I stand by that. In thin laminations the glue itself can lock the fibers and cause things to get more rigid.  I mentioned other things that casue lamiantions to be more acceptable. Wooden structures are quite complex.  I do not believe I will ever fully understand them.

I have seen a few interesting things in mixing Glass-strand or Carbon-fibre in epoxy and wood - and other substrates. There has been very litle published on fatigue of mixed composits (wood/modern-stuff).  

Wood and laminated wood are the superior materials for fatigue resistance. As a structual material, it is difficult to beat.

Ron

Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen
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Re: lamination (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by Experimental on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 09:05:16 PM MST

     Well HECK Ron,
     One thing I think we can sure agree on -- "West systems epoxy resin", by Gougen bros, is the best there is -- espically when used with 403 thickning agent!
    Other than that, we can cheerfully agree to disagree about the stiffness of laminated prop blanks, and I will read Gougeons 002-545  tech manual, again.
   Good evening to you, and all.. Bill H

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Re: lamination (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by wdyasq on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 05:52:42 AM MST

WEST system is a good epoxy.  I actually prefer some other brands for certain aplications.  I think there are only two actual manufacturers and what is consumed are 'formulations'.

Most boat fourmualtions of epoxy are good.  As I never had the luxury of a heated and cooled shop I drifted to System3 epoxy.  I have another friend who swears by MAS. I have used many gallons of WEST, which doesn't saturate wood even if the acronym claims that.

Adhesives are another thing 'taken for granted' by most woodworkers. In reality there is a lot of science and techinique to use them.  As I have gotten older I have tended to stick to adhesives I know and avoid research. I am going to try some 'Titebond 3' this week.  Always interesting to me one has to find the data sheets to find out temperature requirements and other critical data.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen
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wind flex on bigger props help | 25 comments (25 topical)

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