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3-phase vs. single-phase alternator | 23 comments (23 topical, editorial)
Re: 3-phase vs. single-phase alternator (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by nothing to lose (nothingtolose175 at yahoo.com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 01:36:18 AM MST
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I have an odd question here.

Since single phase is lumpy and bumpy output, on/off sort of. Would that act in part similar to a pulse charger?

If 3 phase is always sending power, smooth currant, always on, then that would NOT act as a pulse charger right?

Now question, if I take a 3 phase machine, rectify each line seperate (3 brigdes) and run each to it's own battery bank, then would I in effect have a 3 phase machine, smooth output, always on, but get the pulsing effect to each battery bank from each seperate phase?

If that's somewhat correct and might work, then when I do my wiring here soon, I still need the batteries in the truck for portable power, I could easily wire a bridge so I can connect to the main house bank or the bank in the truck. The ones in the truck of course get abused alot, I like to pulse charge those every so often.

All bridges would be connected at all times, thus 3 phase, just to different banks instead of all to one. If you think it will work that way I'll try it, if not I'll probably just wire in a switch to flip from one bank to the other as needed like I first planned.
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nothing to lose

Spelin and tpying are my strong points, not electronics.
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Re: 3-phase vs. single-phase alternator (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by dinges on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 08:13:12 AM MST
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Hi,

You're right about some batterytypes liking to be charged with pulsed voltage; I've built a batterycharger once, and when it was finished, I heard that batteries should be charged with pulsed voltage; rectified AC, unfiltered (no electrolytic caps) should do the trick, if you can limit current & overvoltage.

As far as a 3phase machine providing 3 separate single-phase voltages; this can be done if you have 6 wires coming from your alternator; i.e. 2 wires per phase, and none of the 3 phases internally connected; i.e. 3 completely separate phases.

Then you can individually rectify them and end up with three single phases; however, if you don't load all phases about the same, your alternator will see a lumpy load (vibration, etc.).

Perhaps you could also use 3-phase star, where you use 4 wires: 3 phase wires, and the '0' (zero) from the center of your phases. That's the way the utilities provide electricity: they produce 3 phase, but each house normally only gets 1 phase (& other wire being the common 'zero' of the star). Unless you have a 3phase electric connection, obviously. Since most houses use about the same power, the 3phase system is equally loaded (what goes for your little genny about 'bumpy-ness' also goes for the big one from your power company).

Like I said, I'm not sure whether in a 3phase star-situation (with extra 'zero' wire) you could individually rectify each phase; when each phase is completely separately available (6wires) you can.

Hope this is a bit clear; my explanation won't win a prize for clarity, I'm afraid.

Peter,
The Netherlands.

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Re: 3-phase vs. single-phase alternator (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by eliyahu (eliyahu@godspot.org) on Fri Dec 7th, 2007 at 12:06:58 AM MST
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I ran into a chap who re-wired a 3 phase induction motor into a generator that according to him worked fabulously. The motor he rewound was a 5 hp 1170 rpm 72 slot 220/440 volt.

As to what to do with the connection between b and c phase. From my understanding that is where you can put a resistance load and a capacitor. The phase sequence connection is important and needs to be determined so that a and b can be transformed and b anc c be connected with resistance and a capacitor to help keep her in balance.

Does anyone have experience with re-wiring induction motors versus starting from scratch?
I have a 575 volt 3 phase 7.5 motor and was wondering if I could add poles to decrease the speed. She is 6 pole now and if I increased the poles to 18 then she would be producing at a much lower r.p.m. starting from 1165 (with slip)I suspect that I would start producing at about 450 rpm. Would this translate to too high a cut in? I would rewire the stator. Then transform down to 240v then rectify and invert to grid or rectify and choke for 24 or 48 volt for batteries.

For sake of specifics I have a 7.5 h.p. 6 pole 5.6 kw 60 hz 3 phase synchronous speed 1200 rpm. It has 48 slots in the stator. If I wired for 16 groups per phase using #18 wire how many turns would I need per phase group?
For the rotor how many magnets would I need? 3x6?
Any advice would be most appreciated. Great site. I remember seeing an article in a private power magasine that talked about required ratios. Anyone know of some good reference material? Thanks

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Re: 3-phase vs. single-phase alternator (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by eliyahu (eliyahu@godspot.org) on Fri Dec 14th, 2007 at 12:37:59 AM MST
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I now see being new to this site that Zubbly would have been a great help. Can anyone refer me to some good reading material on this subject Cheers

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