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A Curiosity | 26 comments (26 topical)
History (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by wdyasq on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 10:56:29 AM MST

I hope they require the installing company show a picture of a successful VAWT, especially a large one.  I know I've never seen one.  

Before you folks start your flame wars - I think 100kW for size and 5 years 95% uptime is a successful mill. Please post pictures in a JPG format and give location and ownership of mill if possible.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen



Re: History (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by monte350c on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 04:57:17 PM MST

Agreed. Lots of people have tried this/been down that road previously.

There's a news release about this company, and their 100kw installation at a university in Quebec. But try as I might I can't seem to find any photos of it.

The news releases contain the 'forward looking statements' disclaimer.

If it is as good as they say, why no photos on their web site?

read more:

http://www.canadanewswire.org/en/releases/orgDisplay.cgi?okey=63011&pos=0

Ted.

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Re: History (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by marv on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 05:25:05 PM MST

Found some photos.

 http://web.mckenziebay.com/sites.htm

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Re: History (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Clifford on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 05:40:05 PM MST

There is a AVI movie on the McKenzie website:

http://web.mckenziebay.com/

This PDF has a photo of the Quebec Turbine:

http://c-westcode.com/Library/WindStor%20PowerPoint%20Rev%20%209-1-05%20(2).pdf

Page 7.

Most of the other photos are simulations though.

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Re: History (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by wdyasq on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 07:17:41 PM MST

Ted,

A little search and I found this: 'as a source to sell and market
carbon dioxide and all other bundled environmental attributes which are
expected to be generated from the production of renewable energy at
WindStor(SM) installations.'

One of the sneaky things about wind turbines is since they are 'green' industries get 'credits' for generating capacity and can then use more coal and oil fired capacity on the CAPACITY, not the actual output of the mills.  There are windfarms which are well over the capacity of the infrastructure to distribute what they produce. Still, the owners get 'credit' and are able to sell those green credits to other industries.  Those 'other industries' can continue to polute because there is green capacity offsetting their polution.  I have a well-founded suspicion the credits are more valuable than the electricity generated.

If I were playing craps, I'd bet the project is a scam on 'environmental attributes' tied to the 'expected' generation.  If the product does work, that will be a bonus.  

I still don't think the product is 5 years old or has anywhere near 95% uptime.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen
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Re: History (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by monte350c on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 07:51:43 PM MST

Ron,

I suspect your view on the credits is correct.

It would be a lot better to give the credits to ACTUAL RE produced than as a reward for doing the opposite.

I finished the last of the articles on the site I linked to above.

There is mention of gov't money:

http://www.canadanewswire.org/en/releases/archive/September2003/22/c3366.html

Hmmm...

Ted.

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