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Lenz turbine | 13 comments (13 topical)
Re: Lenz turbine (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by rotornuts on Fri May 20, 2005 at 07:17:20 PM MST

Thanks for the commentary Ed. I realize the pulse effect is more significant with a two blade design I just considered it this way for simplicity and I was also wondering what kind of effect "solidity" as a factor of circumfrence may have. I do think the Coanda effect may significantly reduce the pulsing effect and the wide cord has the effect of put wing in the wind almost all the time. I was wondering also if you can see a problem with the round center as apposed to the delta center thats tailored to the three blade design. I considered an oval in the center to match the two blades but couldn't see an advantage. I'd love to play with this some as I can now see the beauty in it's design. Maybe a dimpled surface on the center would help the Coanda effect by delaying separation such as with a golf ball.

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Re: Lenz turbine (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by rotornuts on Fri May 20, 2005 at 07:23:43 PM MST

I should say that the coanda effect is the reason I wanted to adopt a round center.

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Re: Lenz turbine (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by windstuffnow on Fri May 20, 2005 at 08:43:46 PM MST

  Actually the "dimples" might help.  As long as you can keep the air flowing over the surface your fine, but you will be breaking the air from the drum each time the wing passes.  This creates turbulance and will break the coanda effect.  If its running fairly fast it won't have time to reorganize effectivly.

  There was another one that used the venturi effect but to a lesser degree, a 2 blade unit with a Football shape in the center.  Suposedly, they run fairly efficiently.  It was patented back in the early 80's... its called a Ropatec



  I started the Lenz turbine project shortly after a guy sent me an email about another one that used the venturi effect, also patented back in the early 80's.  After building one from the specs he sent I wasn't impressed with it at all but was intrigued by the idea. Below is a patent drawing of the venturi turbine emailed to me...

 

  Below is the one I originally built as a test machine...



Then of course the infamous 700 rpm coffee can ...



  I made up a mini dyno to check the locked rotor torque at any angle of rotation while in the wind and found all the failings of the machine.  Decided to start from scratch with some new ideas out of the results and that's how the Lenz turbine was born.  1 machine and several tweeks later it ran ( runs ) quite well but still has several bugs that need to be worked out before I'm satisfied with it...

Fun little machines!
Winstuff Ed

Have Fun! Windstuff Ed
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Re: Lenz turbine (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by rotornuts on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:55:29 PM MST

I gotta say Ed I'd love to read your notes! I'll fiddle with my above variation and see what happens. I'learn the most from seeing what doesn't work so I'll make no modifications till I try it.

Thanks for sharing

Mike

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Lenz turbine | 13 comments (13 topical)

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