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Biodiesel entry | 5 comments (5 topical, editorial)
Re: Biodiesel entry (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by troy on Wed Jun 1st, 2005 at 01:59:34 PM MST
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I concur with Rich.  Sodium hydroxide will suck the moisture right out of the air, and fast.  And if your titrating solution was made with fresh lye, but you're reacting with "old" lye, you would get pretty much the results you describe.

Another test you could do is to make up a new batch of titrating solution with your old lye and see if it titrates the wvo to the same numbers as your previous titrating solution.  If they differ significantly, that's your culprit, or at least a big part of it.

I mix indoors in the basement, but I replaced one of the basement windows with a custom ventilation fan that does a nice job of it.  

Humidity matters.

Finest regards,

troy

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Re: Biodiesel entry (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by wildbill hickup (wildbill_hickup at yahoo.com) on Thu Jun 2nd, 2005 at 02:49:05 AM MST
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Thanks for your idea on a different titration solution. I'm still using the batch I mixed up from a previous can. Picked up a new can the other day. I haven't got a chance to us it yet but starting with that one , and all in the future I think I'll make a fresh titation batch with each change of lye. I had 2 successes on the old can by adding 10% to the quanity called for and both seemed to work OK. Don't have much left of that old can so I think I'm just going to move on(although now you've got me curious). The weather has also improved here so mixing outside shouldn't be as much trouble. Soon I'll have my breather set up in the shop and weather won't be a concideration.

I do have another question for you though. Somewhere I read that the glycerine layer should be simi-solid at temps lower than 100F. On most all the batches I've made I have wound up with what appears to be a glyerine layer (dark chesnut color) non of which are solid or simi solid even down to temps of 45 of 50 F. Am I getting a true glycerine layer?

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Re: Biodiesel entry (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by troy on Fri Jun 3rd, 2005 at 11:25:03 AM MST
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Dear Bill,

Glycerine is highly variable.  It may stay liquid or it may not.  The key issue is if you have clear separation into two layers after reaction and settling by proper cookbook methods.  The lower layer will be darker and more viscous.  If that is true, it's glycerin. You should also get a certain volume, between 10 and 20% of the original volume as glycerin. If you get less than that, or more than that, something is probably wrong.

A higher percentage of methanol will tend to keep the glycerin liquid, the use of KOH instead of NaOH will also keep the byproduct liquid better.  The presence of water (which can cause all sorts of other trouble...) will keep the glycerine more liquid.  The age, quality and type of oil will also affect the glycerin somewhat.

HTH,

troy

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