Go to Otherpower.com Home Page Go to Forcefield Shopping Cart Go to Wondermagnet.com Home Page
Front Page - [Homebrewed Electricity-- (wind) (solar) (hydro) (steam) (controls) (storage) (mechanical)] - Classifieds - Site News
Everything - Newbies - [Remote Living-- (housing) (heat) (light) (water)] - Rants & Opinion - Diaries - Our Products
Mongolian Yurt Style Structures | 36 comments (36 topical, editorial)
Re: Mongolian Yurt Style Structures (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by BrianK on Wed Jul 13th, 2005 at 02:38:09 PM MST
(User Info)

I am Loving the idea and it has me thinking of building a smaller version for camping it would be different and fun

 .



Re: Smaller Yurts (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by BCborn (kylecarrington (@) hotmail.com) on Wed Jul 13th, 2005 at 03:31:51 PM MST
(User Info)

Yes!

I wasn't two days finished, when already I had wished I had gone with more, smaller, Yurts. Building a 24' Yurt all by yourself (for the first time) is a bit of a pain in the butt and at times, can be dangerous, unless you are quite careful. If I started over I would have actually built 3 Yurts. An 18 ft, a 16 and a 14, all attached, but all totally portable. You could literally pull off a bedroom and take it camping with you. Any Yurt is VERY portable mind you, in comparison to any structure with comparable sq. ft floorspace and room volume. Sometimes it is kind of hard to grasp how the thing stands at all, I once had an engineer sit in my Yurt having coffee and he looked around, for about 10 minutes, saying nothing, and then finally he said, you know, this just does not make sense that it even stands! I guess if he were to break out all his formulas and calculator, it would make sense, but I do know what he means LOL. First time visitors often make similiar comments regarding "beefing up" this or that - but, you know, I'm quite satisfied with it's strength, just as is. The cable that encircles the entire yurt, woven through the tops of the khana wall sticks, for example, is only a 3/16" aircraft cable. Guests have said, well you could just make this 5/16" instead couldnt you?? Then I go to the edge of a rafter and demonstrate how little amount of load actually exists at at any one load point by easily sliding the cable in and out of the rafter slot, with next to no effort at all. Often I get the question, well jeeze, you know we live in a normal climate - why didn't you opt for flexible foam insulation istead of this silver stuff? (aluminum reflectics) - the answer is two part - Firstly, flexible blue foam insulation (as used for sleeping mats for camping) could be very useful - especially for say Arctic applications - however - I would still have reflectics both on the weather side, and the interior. If done in a sealed fashion, this would like give you somewhere in the department of R24-R30. The point being, you still need the reflectics. You'd understand when you walked into my Yurt, and it's -10c, I light the small airtight woodstove, and VOILA, not even an hour later is 21c. Insulation alone is not going to make that happen. Radiant heat is very instant on!
Some would argue that the "look" is not appealing, but for me it's more about practicalities.

Smaller Yurts would be so simple to heat, you'd likely have the opposite problem. In a 24' diameter Yurt, with a rafter length of 11.6', and 42" hub on top, your roofvent is about 11'9" inthe air. An incredible amount of warm air collects here. With a smaller Yurt, this is reduced. (keep in mind this design is for Northern areas where snow is of concern. If you took this dimension down to the 18 ft Yurt, you'll find that the heat is closer to your head. I have a 12v RV roof vent fan, to help push the air down, and for winter I'll likely create a reflectics false ceiling to help hold the heat down a bit, in the sleeping area. Concrete pads around the base of the woodstove, and some backing panels (between the stove and the khanas) that will be mostly insulation, with a solar rescue blanket covering, to bounce and retain heat as opposed to losing it to the outside, close by the stove.

Here on the property we all kind of agree it's sure nice to have the 24' if you are living in it fulltime. 32' would be even nicer! If you want to build one and have maximum portability, 18 or 20 is a great size, and so much easier to work with not to mention cheaper to build a top, and walls. If you do go 18 pr even smaller, make sure you dont go overkill on the dimensions of the lumber you use for kahana sticks. Reason being if you used 2x2 for instance, on a 16 or 18 ft yurt, the material is so rigid that it makes turning the khana walls around the radius difficult, and consequently you actualy end up with MORE wall distortion top to bottom, and MORE stress on the boltholes! My landlord found this out when he built an 18 with 2x2, it was pleasant. Hew thought he was playing it safe, building it strong, and he ended up with a worse quality product, really.
~~ Create Your Own Future
[ Parent ]



Re: Smaller Yurts (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by ghurd on Wed Jul 13th, 2005 at 11:42:23 PM MST
(User Info)

I can't imagine it is possible to assemble a yurt without help from your wife and 3 girlfriends!   :)

But really, maybe toss the RV (power sucking shaded pole?) fan and try a high volume low pressure muffin fan.  1a@110v to 150ma@12v.  Just a thought.
G-

[ Parent ]



Re: Smaller Yurts (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by bob golding (photoman290 at yahoo dot com) on Thu Jul 14th, 2005 at 01:01:33 PM MST
(User Info)

the mongolians use there grandmother as well as the wife and 3 girlfriends:-)

really one person can erect a 16 foot ger on there own after a bit of practice. you  do need to  prop the centre ring up as you insert the first 4  roof poles, after that its dead easy to  just add one roof pole at a time. the key to the whole thing is the rope that goes around the top of the khanas. that stops the  roof pushing the walls out. so  as long as that is in place its just a case of carefully inserting the roof poles. i might add i have yet to try this, just repeating what i have read or been told by people who have done it. my main reason for building one is  zoning or planning regs as they are called  this side of the pond. i live in a 40 foot coach at the moment, which is fine but has been noticed so might have to  get rid of it. it is also hell at the moment as we are having a heatwave and the  temp is around 100 degrees  and only drops to 85 at night. i am no a hot weather person. think greenhouse. it also  gets cold in the winter but luckerly  winters here are mild compared to canada. maybe  - 5 c for a few days. there is a good book on yurt construction by paul king called "the complete yurt book" obtainable from the following.
www.chelseagreen.com
it costs  $21.95
well worth it if you are considering  building one.
i used 1 1/2 x 3/4 oak for the sides and bent then slightly in a jig while they where still green. my rafters are  1 1/2 x1 1/2 oak. i used oak mainly because of the work involved in  cleaning up odd bits of  ratty pine. the guy gave me a good deal and cut them all to size for me. if i had to do  all that myself to would have been a major hassle given that i dont have a workshop or any decent woodworking tools. i reckoned by the time i had found someone to do it and paid them i might as well go for the oak. cost a bit more but probaly not that much more. and i can use i as it is.i do have a friend  with a planer/thicknesser so might run them though that to just  make them look a bit smarter then treat them with borax to keep the woodworm out. i am going to use old pallets for the floor with  high density chip board and foam. not quite living  on the earth but hey i will be 4 foot closer than i am now.:-)

bob golding

[ Parent ]



Mongolian Yurt Style Structures | 36 comments (36 topical, 0 editorial)

Menu
· create account
· How to use the board
· FAQs
· search the board
· Google search the board
· Old Otherpower Board

Login
Make a new account
Username:
Password:

Powered by Scoop
You must be a registered user to post here. It's easy and free, and the link is on the upper right side of your page.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Postings are owned by the poster, but may be deleted or moved at the ADMIN's sole discretion. The Rest © 2003 Forcefield.
You can Email the board ADMIN here. PLEASE include the username you signed up with!