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An Alternate PM Alternator Design | 50 comments (50 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: An Alternate PM Alternator Design (3.00 / 0) (#31)
by viron on Tue May 2nd, 2006 at 09:08:49 AM MST
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Finsawyer,

Here's my technical partner's, Larry Ludwig's, assessment.  In general he thinks it would be good for producing power at very low wind speeds as it would reduce EMF drag.

Skimmed the discussion and drawings.  The only serious advantage to this is that low wind speeds will still produce pulses (less system EFM drag) which can be rectified so that you can always produce some voltage.  Electronically the voltge can be built to a higher level with a chopper circuit.    This might be useful in a battery based system where trickel charge (high voltage, very low current) helps to maintain the charge. If you were to look at there diagrams and draw lines to the top of each pulse you would get a sine wave which is what overlapping coils whould produce.  In an alternator, these three overlapping coil voltages are rectified to a pure dc.  The three coil set allows for less ripple smoothing to have to ocur so that less loss occurs in the rectification and smoothing circuit.
    If our desire is to always generate some voltage, even at low wind speeds: we could have our PIC keep a low drag PM pulsed alternator engaged at low RPM and a High drag, High voltage generating alternator swithched in ( and the other swithed out) at higher RPMs.  Then we could have retification circuits for each one designed around what were doing with the outputs.  The High RPM could be a direct feed to the system under use, with a small bleed to the batteries.  The low RPM system could only feed/charge the battery.  This is typically the type system I had envisioned for a home power system.  A high voltage battery set with an inverter for producing AC at high output periods and a low current, high voltage electronic circuitry for just charging the batterys during low output periods.   I could talk to Pete about an electriclly actuated clutch system or a mechanicat RPM activated clutch system the we could read electrically to determin system operation parameters/switching.


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Re: An Alternate PM Alternator Design (3.00 / 0) (#32)
by finnsawyer on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 09:25:00 AM MST
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I disagree that the only advantage is the low speed performance.  The changing power curve also would be an advantage.  Flux, in his recent postings pointed out that with the conventional alternator design one has to give up low wind speed performance to get the best out of system at moderate wind speeds.  For instance, if you size the alternator to give good matching with the turbine at 10 mph, you give up performance at 15 mph where the wind has about three times the power available.  With this design at a little over fifteen mph the alternator power curve increases by 67 percent, so you track the available power better in that region.  Catching that low wind power may actually be quite beneficial as the wind blows more of the time at lower velocities.  So capturing more of that energy while still getting reasonable performance at the higher velocities may actually yield more usable power on average.

I presented this design for the case of charging a battery where pulsed dc doesn't matter.  That is, while this will have more ripple than a three phase system, for charging a battery it doesn't matter.

I don't see any reason why this alternator couldn't be made to produce more power at higher wind speeds by introducing centrifugally operated iron cores for the coils.  At low rpms they are retracted.  At a certain point they are inserted in a controlled manner.  This would be easiest to do if the coil assembly rotated.  With the magnet assembly rotating it would be necessary to mount the centrifugal weights on the back of the rotor and transmit their effect through the shaft by the use of a rod.  The question is how something like this would compare in cost to adding a second alternator?

     
GeoM
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