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CNC and Motor Conversation | 26 comments (26 topical, editorial)
Re: CNC and Motor Conversation (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by iFred (ifred2006@yahoo.com) on Sun Jun 25th, 2006 at 10:02:47 AM MST
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Very nice work and very nice machine.. can I borrow it? LOL

I'll ask a silly question here, why not skew the cuts so the magnets are on a skewed angle as well? It would have reduced the cog, I think. Maybe Zubbly can answer this one.

Keep up the good work WXYZ!  

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Re: CNC and Motor Conversation (3.00 / 0) (#23)
by oztules (oztules__at__bigpond.com) on Sun Jun 25th, 2006 at 05:19:11 PM MST
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He has skewed the stator plates instead. (as per Mr Zubbly's latest conversion)

It would also cause horrid gap problems if you were to skew straight mags on a cylinder.

.............oztules
Flinders Island Australia
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Re: CNC and Motor Conversation (3.00 / 0) (#24)
by dinges on Sun Jun 25th, 2006 at 05:29:04 PM MST
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Don't know about the horrid gap problems. You'd just have to increase spacing a little, so that the edges (corners) of the magnets wouldn't touch the stator. I think it would be very doable, in fact, I've seriously considered it myself for a while for the 3HP conversion I'm working on. It's the mechanical fixing of these large magnets (2"x1"x.5") that made me decide not to go this route. I don't trust epoxy or loctite for this application. With many small, round magnets, one has relatively large surface area (for glue) with relatively small magnetic volume (which is a downside, I admit).

Though there would be another method of skewing, I think. If you have a 4pole motor, don't put the magnets on 0deg; 90 deg; 180 deg; 360 deg. But instead, for example 0 deg; 80 deg; 180 deg; 260 deg; 360 deg. That should solve the cogging too (I think! haven't tried; also, the exact amount of offset depends on the amount stator gaps!), without a need for skewing of either stator or magnets. Note that this is just an idea (not my own anyway) and I have never tried it or seen it tried!

Peter.

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Re: CNC and Motor Conversation (3.00 / 0) (#25)
by Flux on Mon Jun 26th, 2006 at 01:05:37 AM MST
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Yes the stagger spacing method does work. In theory you would need balance weights to correct the balance, but at low speed I am not sure it would be necessary.

Unless you machine flats on the shaft it is fairly easy to shift the magnets with this method to find the best position.

This seems a better way than skewing rectangular magnets on a rotor, the increased air gap to clear the corners does mean using more magnet material.

With proper curved magnets and a uniform air gap, magnets 1/4" thick should be adequate. You will likely need 1/2" thick for skewed rectangular ones.
Flux

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Re: CNC and Motor Conversation (3.00 / 0) (#26)
by WXYZCIENCE on Mon Jun 26th, 2006 at 01:28:26 AM MST
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The air 403 used arc magnets but there is a 3/8" space between the first and last 12 magnets. There was no skew. I will get some pics of the guts and post them later. The air gap is also very wide. It had very little cog. Joe.

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