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Bigger-box VAWT on real PM gen failed so far... | 21 comments (21 topical, editorial)
Re: uh (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Wed Oct 17th, 2007 at 11:32:03 AM MST
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Fun, yes!

It certainly seems like this big box ain't working right now!  I'm going to try some alternatives (and a more windy day) to rescue it, but the small cogging is killing me at the moment I think.  I'm sure that it is ultimately usable.

I only remembered one comment about the squirrel cage idea of mine (negative), but if you think it is plausible then I'll happily revisit it.

For a few quid/dollars it is worth a punt.  Might even be quite pretty yard art.

Note that the Benesh box design was chosen for its extreme simplicity, because of my extreme ham-fistedness!

I'm not sure how best to do the dustbin transformation to tree-rat jail: is there a good general paper/URL on the design of these cages?  I am of course inspired by the PVC pipe version, and might try that at some point.

Rgds

Damon

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Re: uh (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by feral air on Wed Oct 17th, 2007 at 10:58:52 PM MST
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It might spin but you'll have to use a huge box to get anything out of it is what I'm thinking. I really do like the trash can idea but there may be a few things to watch out for (there always is)...

I would push on the side of the trash can to test its rigidity before committing, you don't want it too rigid or too flexible. If there's a taper on the can that could make it more difficult and I don't know how you would keep the flaps bent in. Oh, and water might want to collect in the bottom but that's easily fixed and it'll get pushed to the outer edge and spill out when the thing spins up anyway.

I wasn't (and I'm not) trying to be negative, just imagining pitfalls so you can avoid 'em if you decide to go ahead. :-)

CmeBREW's squirrel cage design isn't exactly easy to build. I made a little 8" diameter one with 8 blades (2.88sqft) and it works ok but none of the blades are quite the same size and it wobbles a bit. I had to scrap a couple of the "almost rounds" that I screwed up and I was cutting straight lines instead of 'humps'. I could spend several hours rearranging the blades to get rid of some of the wobble but..no. For people with our (lack of) skills this design is hard....just being honest here.

I still think you should try making a 'quick vawt'. The only thing you can really screw up is the pipe cutting, the rest is nuts and bolts. If you start by cutting it in half and it doesn't come out quite right you can always trim/file some material off - it actually seems to work better if the halves aren't really halves anyway. And even if it wobbles a bit it's going to spin like crazy compared to a box.

I've actually been tempted to get your mailing address so I could send you the pieces to one of my quick vawts but the shipping always gets me...not worried about the cost but the energy wasted to get it there - over the continent and across the pond, to Damon's house we go..heh..

I dunno, it'll be interesting to see how this box thing works out anyway. It does seem pretty easy to cut some holes out of a box and there ya go. take it easy

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Re: uh (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 18th, 2007 at 01:44:29 AM MST
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Remember that I made the toy S-VAWT which does spin.  The problem with the current 'big box' is not enough surface, too thick a shape, and a bit too much cogging, IMHO...

This is what prototypes are for of course.  B^>

If you have a link to plans/pics of the 'quick' design that you have in mind, it may inspire me.

And since I've now got everything set up, all I have to make to test new things is the rotor...

Thanks again for the thoughts!

Rgds

Damon

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Re: uh (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by feral air on Thu Oct 18th, 2007 at 01:16:17 PM MST
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Not plans exactly but here's a post about it with pics...in my diary if it has 'quick' in the title, that's it. I can go into more detail if you'd like and get a pic of all the pieces before they go together...etc.

You've seen that post before but if you open up the second image in a new window you can see the bracket assembly more clearly...that might help.

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