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VAWT fiddling started... | 41 comments (41 topical, editorial)
Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 01:42:21 PM MST
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Well, goodness!  I have something that turns quite well: a lungful of air has it turn at least 2 or 3 times.  Any most of it should survive rain, though is otherwise quite fragile.

And, through ham-fistedly running out of other alternatives, the bearing is at the top, with the whole device hanging down from a 'sprung' pillar.  A very small gen could fit in there at the top of the post, with wires running down the post.

I'll take its photograph 'planted' in my garden tomorrow, and see how long it takes to fall apart.

Then I can think about a real VAWT generating my usual milliWatts, when we get any breeze at all...

In any case, I'll see how quickly this one rotates.

What's the relationship between rpm, windspeed, and other design parameters for a simple Savonius VAWT?  (I'm gonna Google anyway, but I'm sure that you guys know it off by heart...)

Rgds

Damon



Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by RP (russp located-at fidnet (dot) com) on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 05:32:06 PM MST
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The outer edge of a drag type rotor like a savonius will be essentially the same as the windspeed when it's unloaded.

For a 1 foot diameter rotor the circumference will be 3.14 feet so in a windspeed of 10mph, the outer edge of the rotor will be going 52800 feet/hour or 88 feet/minute.

Dividing the circumferencial speed by the actual circumference gives you 88/3.14=28rpm

I believe optimum loading for a savonius is when it's running at a tsr of 1/3 so to extract maximum power you'd want your alternator to hold it down to a little over 9rpm in a 10mph wind.

Hope this helps

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 01:54:44 AM MST
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That's a very good starting point.

I might just have the materials for a 1ft diam S to hand, so expecting ~1rpm/mph/ftdiam is a decent rule of thumb at least.  Hideously un-metric though!  B^>

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#26)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 11:01:55 AM MST
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I think that that has to be rpm = mph / ft diameter

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by feral air on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 05:54:13 PM MST
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S-vawts are hard to break down with numbers. I don't know of any way to sit down with a piece of paper and figure out exactly what size/configuration of an s-vawt you need to build get a given amount of power out. I think it's ok to go by 'feel' though...

You can't really say an s-vawt made from 6" pipe will spin this fast in this wind. Besides the height, you've got weight, air gap, bearings, general build quality, load, etc....lots of things play a part, even with a simple-S design.

Then, are you really talking about a simple Savonius? To me that means each blade is a half circle, the gap is about 18%, the blades don't overlap, there's likely a center rod and you've got end plates. Or are you talking about a modified simple S?..

I consider my quick vawt to be a modified simple S...the blades aren't half circles (though they could be), they do overlap a little, there's no center rod, the gap is totally configurable and a bottom plate is all that's really mandatory (to protect the bottom bearings from the weather).

Past about that point you get into the more complicated designs/problems and all hell breaks loose. Then you start pondering the aspect ratio..wider is better for low winds but is lower rpm, tall and skinny for high winds and high rpms. Oh, should I use those "J" looking blades?..those are more efficient. Etc.

There's just so many variables.

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by wdyasq on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 10:12:40 PM MST
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Sandia labs did several million dollars of research on VAWTs of all descriptions. They figured out many of the problems. They built many prototype mills. A great amount of data was published.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen
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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#23)
by feral air on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 10:25:45 AM MST
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For s-vawts it's easier to build the rotor first. Then you can figure out how much spinnage there is and how best to use it.

Having a good 'feel' will get you as close as running the numbers can anyway, all things considered.

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 02:29:50 AM MST
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Hi,

I don't do build quality!  What do you take me for: a civil engineer?  B^>

Anyway, my little prototype does at least turn in a tiny breeze: I'll try and get a little video before it falls apart...

Rgds

Damon

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