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Heat from the Shower Drain | 23 comments (23 topical, editorial)
Re: Heat from the Shower Drain (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by spinningmagnets (velmis1450bc(at)aol(dot)com) on Fri Dec 14th, 2007 at 10:44:36 PM MST
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Hey Gary, I just checked out the GW heat recovery links, I always like the clever ideas on your site. Each one is appropriate for somebody, somewhere.

This month is when I've switched to a hot bath instead of a shower because of the cold air, must be near 55 gallons of 130F. If somebody can save a couple bucks using near-free junk to capture some of this...

I've always read that crossflow heat-exchangers transfer more total heat than a similar sized uni-directional flow (don't know why...) so here's my idea.

Raise the water heater, set 55-gal drum on floor next to it after wrapping with insulation. Get a 30-gal drum, flip it over, wrap with insulation, bolt bottom of the 30-gal drum to the inside of the 55-gal lid.

The hot drain water flows down into the center section, hits bottom and makes a U-turn and flows up around the circumference where it exits the lid near the edge. The outlet turns, goes through an "S" trap then flows to drain.

To make it cross-flow, cold water that is headed to the water heater is detoured to go into the lid near the edge and coils down the outer chamber and then makes a "U-turn". Then it continues on, coiling up the inner chamber where it exits near the center of the lid, and the short insulated exit pipe immediately feeds the water heater.

The outer chamber is only warm because it has been cooled slightly from the incoming cold tube, and the then-warmed incoming tube-water is further heated by the hotter inner chamber. The warm outer chamber also acts as an insulating jacket around the inner hotter chamber. This would further be helped by the heat in the inner hotter chamber wanting to rise instead of mix with the outer chamber.

My shop gets grease in 30-gal drums (18-wheelers) and we throw them away all the time, although I would prefer the outer 55-gal drum to be one of those one-piece plastic types I get from the horse ranchers.

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Re: Heat from the Shower Drain (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by Drawbar (tsj5874@yahoo.com) on Sun Dec 16th, 2007 at 05:48:46 AM MST
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I don't think the stainless steel idea would work. Stainless steel is very poor when it comes to heat transfer. Maybe I am out of line on this, but my experience as a machinist and fabricator, I know stainless does not transfer heat very well. That is why it is so hard to machine, and why it warps so badly when its welded. It just does not conduct heat. Perhaps with this little amount of heat though, and from the way the water is sitting there, it would work, so I could be wrong.

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Re: Heat from the Shower Drain (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by desertcoyote on Sun Dec 16th, 2007 at 10:54:21 AM MST
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I am not buying the vertical pipe method of heat transfer. And 50% recovery in this type of mode is not realistic, not at all. Maybe with capillary tubes in a laboratory under ideal conditions. Drains get coated with scum, hair soap... that alone would kill the thermal impedance and the idealized notion of the water spinning on the outside. It would be a fun physics problem to come up to a steady state solution assuming that the incoming water is getting heated by a percentage of the heat going down the drain. The most practical is the bath tube, let the water stand and cool down to the ambient. Otherwise letting the water flow into a plastic 55 gallon drum thereby heating the crawl space or basement could be workable. Entropy happens, .... use less hot water, take shorter showers!

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Re: Heat from the Shower Drain (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by ghurd on Sun Dec 16th, 2007 at 11:28:08 AM MST
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The PDF says 25 to 31% over 1 year in a real life test.

"Make", not buy.


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