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single phase experiment | 15 comments (15 topical, editorial)
Re: single phase experiment (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by modernmarvelinspired on Sun Mar 18th, 2007 at 11:18:13 AM MST
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Do you mean to just fill the air core with serveral screws until the core is full?


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Re: single phase experiment (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by hiker (hiker.wild[at]yahoo[dot]com) on Sun Mar 18th, 2007 at 12:33:21 PM MST
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like i said check your coils.....
and dont put any metal screws in the coil holes---it will cog so badly you would need a pipe wrench to turn it over.  been there done it :{
WILD IN ALASKA
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Re: single phase experiment (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Flux on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 12:55:28 AM MST
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You should reverse the connections to alternate coils for this winding. If you get current into a 24v battery at 1000rpm I believe you have done this correctly but you can check.

You will never get much with wood. I am not sure what you mean about the banding.

What you need to do is roll the banding around a plywood disc with a diameter equal to the inside of the magnets and keep rolling until you make the diameter up to the magnet outside so that you have a ring of steel for the magnets to sit on. This will be as effective as a solid steel disc and should drastically increase the output.

You could make it even better if you made another disc like this and spun it with the other one with the magnets. Your stator coils would then work in a true "air gap" between these laminated steel discs.

If you can't manage to spin the second disc you could leave it stationary behind the stator and still gain output but at the expense of iron loss and drag.

If you just use the one steel disc with magnets and keep it single rotor without return flux paths then you need to keep the stator as close to the magnets as possible ( less than 1/8").

The big problem with this type of construction is keeping it stable, you will need to glue the banding as you wind it with epoxy or similar. If you don't the magnetic forces will pull the thing apart.

Not such a problem with one disc alone but if you add a second either spinning or stationary you will have a strong pull trying to spiral the strip out.

This seems stupid hard work compared with a solid steel disc but if it keeps the Missus out your hair you should be able to make it work. Be careful with that banding strip, if the magnets pull it out don't have fingers between it.

Don't put any form of iron in the coils.

Good luck
Flux

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Re: single phase experiment (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by finnsawyer on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 08:25:55 AM MST
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Hmm!  How to save the alternator?  Well, he could glue an iron plate to the back of the rotor and then drill holes through it and part way through the plywood, and insert and glue iron rods or screws.  The rods should be at least of the same diameter as the magnets.  I presume Flux would have no particular problem so far.  Putting an iron plate backing the stator would not do much good without some means of drawing the flux up through the coils.  This would require some iron within the coils.  So it becomes a trade off between cogging and output.  O.K., not really practical.  But he already has the plywood backed alternator in hand.  Throw it away or try some things?  If he doesn't find some benefit from the screws he can always remove them.  The magnetic properties of wood and air are identical anyway.  he really doesn't have much to lose.    
GeoM
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Re: single phase experiment (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by finnsawyer on Mon Mar 19th, 2007 at 07:04:34 AM MST
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No, one or two screws.  While you don't necessarily have to tap the screw holes in wood, if you can do it it will allow for more control and precision.  You insert the screws from the back and thread them in only so far as the cogging is acceptable.  While I don't expect this to be a perfect solution, it should indicate why you want iron behind the rotors and stators, namely to provide a better path for the flux to pass from one pole of a magnet to the neighboring opposite pole.  You could also try other things such as placing large washers around the screws on the back. Apparently, some people don't believe in a spirit of experimentation.  They did something and feel that they have learned everything they need to know from that.

Note to the person who posted concerning the use of a single rotor with two stators: Scoop forced a time out on me yesterday and your comment disappeared from the activity list, so I couldn't respond.  With two stators you have doubled the air gap, which cuts the flux in half, so you will get no improvement in output voltage.    
GeoM
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