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Easy Auto Alternator Conversion | 28 comments (28 topical, editorial)
Re: Easy Auto Alternator Conversion (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by windstuffnow (elenz(at)windstuffnow(dot)com) on Wed Jul 4th, 2007 at 12:36:23 PM MST
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  Nice Job Joeseph!  I had built one with ceramic magnets many years back but it seemed a bit weak for my needs at the time.  I tried stacking some block neo's between the finger plates and that brought the finger flux up to about the gauss of a strong ceramic magnet ( 1500 or so ).  

  I noticed hydrogen appliance was modifying the alternators by using a very large and extreemly strong neo ring magnet and a friend had purchased several of them for testing purposes.  Unfortunately their output was far less than they advertized.  

  I started making new rotors from aluminum and putting a steel backing to secure the magnets retaining the original shaft.  The magnets were simply the 1 x .5 x .125 mounted around the circumference of the new rotor.  This made a significant difference in output but still required 400-500 rpm for `12volt cut in and definately created a cogging issue.  I concluded if you could get some custom wedge magnets made up the cogging would be eliminated and the output could be increased considerably again by using a 1/4" thick N35 magnet.

  Also, you can grind the pins from the laminants and put several alternator cores together, use a longer shaft and still use the end housings for the bearings.  It looks a little odd but you can put a lot of wire in a 4 core alternator.  You can also use the smaller magnets in the longer core and stager the magnets to reduce the cogging.  You can use spacers on the original winding/core to separate the cores to use as is...

  Lots of cool options with them, thier a pretty simple and versitile little alternator.  I used to have a huge box of the old Delco's ( 35 amp ) but I went through them pretty fast playing around and ended up selling alot of the modified versions.  I haven't been to the junk yard lately so I don't know whtt they cost anymore.  

  You can also make a small PM alternator to feed the field coil of a stock alternator which works fairly well too, although they don't do real well in low winds.  As the wind increases so does the load.  

I had lots of fun with the old 10si's still have 4 or 5 laying around for future fun when I get time.  

Keep up the great work!  

.  
Have Fun! Windstuff Ed



Re: Easy Auto Alternator Conversion (3.00 / 0) (#23)
by SoloDad (Garret_at_ Kisser_Net_Au) on Thu Jul 5th, 2007 at 05:10:40 AM MST
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I have spent some time looking at this type of alternator using FEMM and have concluded that segmenting the shaft and replacing the centre and rear of the shaft with a 316 stainless tube rather than the solid steel one, will allow a steel rod to be inserted much like a reactor control rod to limit the output of the alternator.

The centre (Fe) shaft is acting like a return path for the fux no doubt about that.
By removing the Fe Shaft in the section inside the magnet rings, you prevent this "short circuit".

So conversley if you insert a rod inside this SS tube then the output of the alternator drops around 3 times.

As a cheapy, I thought that a back to back Hallbach assemblies, replacing the outer two of the ring magnets could be made from inexpensive NdFeB slithers (.5x.5x1).
The inner ring can be replaced with Aluminium disk with a simple steel washer between the Al disk and each of the Hallbach replacement assemblies would give the same output as three solid rings of NdFeB. Hallbachs are One Pole magnets. Basically you take 4 magnets and do this "North Up,North Right ,North Down,North Left" you can put the field on the inner or outer of a drum by changing the rotation of the magnets Clock wise (inner) or Counter Clock wise (outer).
Fun to play with ! Same thing as fridge magnets only one side is magnetic.
The Hallbach is Root 2 (x 1.4142) factor stronger than the equivalent solid magnet.
Three magnets stacked are 1.27 x the single magnet strength stacked.
So by taking smaller magnets of the same strength you can actually end up with 1.8 x the field over 1.27 of the 3 solid magnets.
Crikey ! It's a significant figure !
The picture shows the intense hallbach on upper right versus the normal In Out
of a normal radial flux unit. Purple is hight Field Strength.
Anyway I have to take some videos back.
Garret




All in good time but for now .. a mirracle
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Re: Easy Auto Alternator Conversion (3.00 / 0) (#26)
by SoloDad (Garret_at_ Kisser_Net_Au) on Thu Jul 5th, 2007 at 08:23:57 PM MST
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Hmm I spent the time to model this Halbach Augmented Idea.
Well .. forget I mentioned it. Please !
It does not work.
Sorry. (in too much of a hurry to exit to the video shop)
Remember that all great ideas stimulate the grey matter ..
no matter if they work ! Keep on using it !

If you replace the rotor entirely with a CCW 90 deg rotation of the field magnets
about the outer surface of the drum with a thin layer of steel under them .. (see www.Windstuff.com) but rotate the magnets. You will pick up the Root 2 advantage ( note the magnetic flux is different as the wire goes through the field.
The normal up/down magnets give a rough sine wave +- 45 say. The Halbach goes zero across each second magnet. It shows +75 then zero for a magnet width then -75 then zero for a magnet width. Kind of a square wave with a zero 1/4 wave each 1/2 cycle.
Anyway .. it will give much lower start to charge rotation speed.(values are only indicative of the model I made with 94m OD Al Drum , 3 mm steel plate wrapped with 16 off 15x40x8 mm NdFeB Magnets around the outside. and are x10e4 Amp/Metre. but ... cogging .. wow it will be nasty.
So When I find a 3D FEMM modeling software I'll have another go with a compounded Halbach type stepped so that the cogging will drop.
Garret
All in good time but for now .. a mirracle
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Re: Easy Auto Alternator Conversion (3.00 / 0) (#28)
by MR FIXIT on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 05:48:24 AM MST
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I done the same thing , I used a delco 10 si alternator with a stainless shaft and a 24 volt winding( yes you can get 24 volt windings for delco alternators and I think 32 volt as well ).  you can also use a stock alternator with a D10AC regulator and a 24 volt winding.  We made a peddle bike with one of these and it worked great.  The D10AC reg. has a very low turn on speed. I am thinking about using this on savounis mill I am building.  

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