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Tiny Steam Turbine | 15 comments (15 topical, editorial)
Re: Tiny Steam Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by JW on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:19:48 PM MST
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Joseph,

 Do you realize that you are working with the impeller section of the turbo assy?

Most of these units are designed to go no faster than 80,000 rpm(80k).

"The first picture is of the turbine blade, a modified compressor wheel from an old auto turbocharger.
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That is essentally correct, but why, are you trying to drive a compressor blading assy, with steam?

 If I were you, I would abandon this section of the turbo, and install- 4 1/2inch nozzels, tangentally at 90* to 180* vertical of the actual turbine half(exhaust housing) of the turbo. Although this does not account for the compress-ability of air, I feel you could do quite well with such an arrangement, using High flow volume rates of steam. Also you must get the oil-bearing up and running with some sort of oil-pump to the centre bearing. Its probably best to sparge the original air(combustion product gass inlet) with the output from the impeller section. In this way you could sparge aire into the cast-iron housing (stainless steel) with each of the 4    1/2in steam inlet nozzels. Have you noticed the vaning of the exhaust turbine?

 You could safely gear down the shaft(@80k) to a system of high-speed belts to drive an alternator at 3000rpm. But balence issues would surly arise, on your pto-shaft. Unless your planing to use volume flow to drive another 'reaction' turbine set, which I feel is not the case based on your comments. By the way which element of the turbine shaft are you going to convert to the pto? be vary carefull when contemplating the 'open' end of the shaft. (pto, power take off)

JW



Re: Tiny Steam Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by WXYZCIENCE on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 12:45:00 AM MST
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JW, the compressor section of the turbocharger was chosen for it's weight better the lack of it. What I am up to is building a reaction stage turbine. The impulse type make to much noise. Removing the lower part of the blades, this have allowed me to use very small nozzles and achieve the expansion through the wheel that I was looking for. The alternator is directly coupled to the output shaft. It also supports the pto end. The first test with the alternator have allowed me to take the power off at these very high speeds. I suspect that the full output range will be a little lower that the max. speed of the turbine. Around 70K. If all goes according to the plan the entire unit and flash boiler will weight under ten pounds. I expect no more that marginal power output, 20 watts. Joseph.

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Re: Tiny Steam Turbine (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by JW on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 05:16:20 PM MST
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Interesting,

 So you are going to run it backwards with nozzle's. Basically you can use whatever housing you wish in that case. That would nullify the cyntrifugal aspect of the compressor/impeller your using. I cant wait to see an update, that is a cool project.

 I was thinking using a roots type blower would be more simple, for a steam type of application( the expander),but I like your idea.

JW

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