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hydrogen | 11 comments (11 topical, editorial)
Re: hydrogen (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by Fiddlehead44 on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 03:57:07 AM MST
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   I watched a TV program (Tis Old House, DIY) the other night and they had several
RE homes constructed by various Universities. The one that caught my eye, was a
solar powered home that through various systems supplied all of the homes electrical and heating as well as cooling needs. The surplus electricity was transferred (dump load) to a hydrogen convertor that captured and tanked the hydrogen for later use. Similuar to a battery. When needed the hydrogen was fed through plates with oxygen and converted back to electricity. This was kool. I didn't get to see the full program as the damn hockey game was coming on and Momma controls the remote. Did anyone see this and can explain the process better than I?
     Fiddlehead... BTW...the junior Canadians knocked the U.S. out of the world championships.

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Re: hydrogen (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by spinningmagnets (velmis1450bc(at)aol(dot)com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 10:05:57 AM MST
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The MAPP gas torch has a different fuel/O2 mixing ratio than an oxy/Acetylene. I haven't tried it yet, but I've been assured it works (we'll see)

What you were reading about is a fuel cell. Putting electricity into water will separate the O2/H2. If you reverse the process, you put O2 on one side of an electrically charged membrane, and when you expose the other side to H2, the H2 nucleus (positively charged protons) is pulled through, but the negatively charged electrons are peeled off and they take the long path around the membrane (passing through an electric motor on the way).

No burning, the only byproduct is water and heat. Average citizens can buy a fuel cell about the size of a refrigerator. They are expensive and you also have to find a supply of H2. I doubt you can get city code permits for a home-built electrolyzer in your back yard, and I doubt homeowners insurance will cover any "incidents".

Fuel cell "electric" cars are going to be expensive. Some German busses are using dry compressed H2 in tanks on the roof. Several Japanese prototypes are running methanol (easy to make, lots of miles per tank) that is run through a "reformer" to separate the H2, but this adds more complexity and cost.

The batteries in electric cars are recycled, but expensive to replace every few years. It looks like the fuel cell is more expensive up front, but should last decades. Also, every fuel cell car is by definition a back-up generator.

I'm not afraid to work with natural gas or propane, so H2 doesn't concern me, but you must repect every flammable gas.

Ground yourself to prevent a static spark from your fingertips, and store any H2 you generate immediately through a check valve into a tank that is located away from the electrolyzer.

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