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Improving axial flux alternator reliability? | 16 comments (16 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: Improving axial flux alternator reliability? (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by David HK on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 04:23:48 AM MST
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Your not wrong by any means, but I have another point of view which will induce some thinking. Its now dark here in Hong Kong and too late to photograph what I wish to illustrate, so can I invite interested parties to view this entry again in about 24 hours time.

David HK



Re: Improving axial flux alternator reliability? (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by scoraigwind (magnet@scoraigwind.co.uk) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 06:04:51 AM MST
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I accept that some of my designs are prone to overheating, notably the 12 footer in the 2005 plans.  In my recipe book I have gone for larger diameter alternators with more copper and the heating per unit area of surface area is way down.  I do not anticipate any further problems with burned stators under these new standards.

David's cross sections seem to show increased coverage of the coils with resin which would be counter-productive.

I do not recommend using epoxy to encapsulate stators.  Vinyl Ester seems to be the best so far.
Hugh Piggott http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk
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Re: Improving axial flux alternator reliability? (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by David HK on Thu Oct 30th, 2008 at 01:23:31 AM MST
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First of all let me say that the following observations are in no way critical of Hugh Piggott. I merely state what is written in his 2005 book.

In Hugh's book he makes it quite clear that the constructor should choose either Imperial or Metric - I chose Metric.

Taking the coil wider first, the recommendation is a spacer width of 13mm and a length of 46mm and a breadth of 30mm. I followed exactly and wound ten coils as required. Page 25.

Next is the stator casting for which all the dimensions are given including the thickness which is specified as 13 mm. Page 29 Col midway down.

After all the resin was poured and dried I unveiled my stator and was very interested to see that most (not all) of the `start' wires on the coils showed a white glistening line where they passed over the coil turns.

Photo below.



My thought are:-  the coil winding is 13mm thick, but the start wire which runs over the over coils is 1.6mm thick plus microns for insulation which makes the overall stator thickness 14.6mm plus a fraction. The fibreglass chopped strand mat also has thickness, but this no doubt varies when it is wet or dry.

So I am left wondering how good the copper wire insulation is when the `start' wire passes over 6, 7 or 8 wires forming the coils.

When I cast my second stator I deliberately slipped some heat-shrink tube over the start wire where it crosses the coils and have not had a similar repeat of the top fibreglass mat showing glistening lines.

Flux, Hugh, and many more experienced minds will no doubt be able to offer more expert advice, but could this be a possible source of coil failure?

It seems as if I am being pedantic, but I merely raise the observation for opinion and comment.

David HK
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Re: Improving axial flux alternator reliability? (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Flux on Thu Oct 30th, 2008 at 03:04:23 AM MST
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As someone brought up in the days of cotton covered wire I never do things like this but in reality the modern wires are so good that that you can get away with it on a low voltage machine. It makes a lot of sense to slip a piece of Nomex or Kapton under the wire just as you would have to do in a high voltage machine.

Sleeving is ok but I object to the space wasted by this crossing wire anyway, I think sleeving makes it thicker and wastes more space. ( I never bring wires out like this but it is good enough for everyone else).

I suspect that when the wire is severely burnt the breakdown here may be the final straw in the failure mechanism. At low voltage I am inclined to suspect that many machines are running burnt out and the voltage stress between turns is held off by burnt mess for months or years. This highly stressed point will have a full coil voltage and may fail first.

In the pictures we have seen recently the machine was still running with smoke coming out, After shorting to stop it it failed to run and I suspect the mechanical stress from the braking forced the turns apart and it rubbed the magnets and one coil disintegrated.

Flux

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