Go to Otherpower.com Home Page Go to Forcefield Shopping Cart Go to Wondermagnet.com Home Page
Front Page - [Homebrewed Electricity-- (wind) (solar) (hydro) (steam) (controls) (storage) (mechanical)] - Classifieds - Site News
Everything - Newbies - [Remote Living-- (housing) (heat) (light) (water)] - Rants & Opinion - Diaries - Our Products
Poles v Coils | 15 comments (15 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: Poles v Coils (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by ghurd on Tue Oct 7th, 2008 at 01:35:42 PM MST
(User Info)

I could be off track, but I think your answer is 8 magnets per disk.
G-



Re: Poles v Coils (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by CWATTS on Tue Oct 7th, 2008 at 05:23:56 PM MST
(User Info)

Hi Thanks but it is actually 4 !! I recalculated everything based upon all this above and decided to go less magnets rather than more coils. But originally read somewhere 6 of each!! Hence my question which was not based upon a known configuration. But then I only know that now. Thanks to you guys. So cheers for the help.

[ Parent ]


Re: Poles v Coils (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Flux on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 01:28:23 AM MST
(User Info)

Starting from first principles you would end up with one coil per pole for a single phase winding. A 12 pole magnet system would have 12 coils per phase. As alternate coils are under alternate magnet polarities the connections to adjacent coils would need reversing ( or you flip alternate coils, same thing).

If you leave out alternate coils as you show that still works fine and no coils need reversing. You just alter the coil shape so that you use twice as many turns of twice csa wire for each coil and the end result is the same. That would give you a 6 coil 12 pole single phase winding.

Using conventional windings you will have to overlap coils to produce a 3 phase winding from either and that has been the standard way for many years. For axial flux machines where you need small air gaps and where the winding space is limited at the centre of the stator the overlapped coil is a challenge and it has been found that you get a better machine with far less effort if you go back to the original single phase concept and leave out half the coils of the basic half coil version ( leave out half of the coils of the 12 pole 6 coil version). That leaves you 3 coils per 12 poles and three phase will then go in as a single layer winding. It doesn't use all the stator circumference effectively ( there are unwound bits) but in real life there are so many compromises for wind power that when you consider all the issues this turns out a better winding. It wouldn't be the best way to wind a radial but the restrictions and compromises are different in that case.

Probably way off what you were looking for so ignore it if it adds confusion but this issue of pole numbers and coil numbers keeps cropping up and unless it is understood we shall be asked for evermore whether a certain pole and coil number will work.

Flux

[ Parent ]



Poles v Coils | 15 comments (15 topical, 0 editorial)

Menu
· create account
· How to use the board
· FAQs
· search the board
· Google search the board
· Old Otherpower Board

Login
Make a new account
Username:
Password:

Powered by Scoop
You must be a registered user to post here. It's easy and free, and the link is on the upper right side of your page.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Postings are owned by the poster, but may be deleted or moved at the ADMIN's sole discretion. The Rest © 2003 Forcefield.
You can Email the board ADMIN here. PLEASE include the username you signed up with!