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Old compressor as steam motor | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 editorial)
switching from wind to steam (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 11:09:54 AM MST
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'Once I find this I know I can make a good running steam motor.'

Sounds like a fun project.  Making a reasonable valve shouldn't be tricky - but...  steam is a lot like wind, there is a lot to it, a lot of research has been done and to be even reasonably efficient I think a lot of research is involved.  Last time I ran mine I carefully weighed the coal and monitored KWH output and came up finding that I was running between 2-4% (depending on the quality of the coal which I am not sure) efficient.  (probably I was running about 3%)  Of course, when I fired it all up all the equipment was at -4 deg F!  I expect better efficiency in the summer.

'Any links would help. I've looked until I'm fed up but I'm still looking.
Yep switching from wind to steam.'

Steam is great fun and workable, but to get a steam system thats not very labor intensive will involve a lot of work/money.  Wind is free - once you get it setup there's very little cost/labor involved to keep it running.  If I was to say such a rediculous thing (sorry) that 'Im switching from wind to steam' and actually kept my house/shop powered up I would have a full time job cutting wood and playing 'engineer'.  You don't walk away from a steam system, it requires constant attention.  Lots better than peddling for power but compared to a diesel engine running on vegi oil (if you're worried about renewable energy) or an internal combustion engine running off a gasifiers - steam is a hell of a lot of work, takes a lot of fuel and a lot of water.  

I love steam but untill diesel is over $10/gallon (or more perhaps) it's more of a toy than a practical thing.  The wind offers incredibly practical/inexpensive electricity.



Re: switching from wind to steam (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by Basil (basil(spamblock)key@bellsouth.net) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 03:00:40 AM MST
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combustion engine running off a gasifiers
I have read up on this. (Hours) I will try it some day. It should run a ele start 12 hp lawn motor. That would pull a genarator. I have one but will have to rebuiled it thanks to my son inlaw. I have not seen anything down to that scale. If thats been done (Sure it has some where)I would love to see it.
Opps off the subject. Back to steam. I still have not found slide / control valve.
Bad luck or none at all.
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Re: switching from wind to steam (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by Opera House on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 05:48:20 AM MST
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In 1977 I was working on coal gasification at a major R&D center.  Mostly what is made is carbon monoxide from incomplete burning.  Wood gasifiers took off during WWII. Quite easy to run a small engine on this this since mixture ratio is not critical.  Don't need much more than a garbage can and a bucket.  Lot of funky looking vehicles on the web if you google.

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Re: switching from wind to steam (3.00 / 0) (#23)
by colej (colej@castle-ranch.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 06:14:28 PM MST
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I bought a thin paperback some time ago from Lindsay publishing that was all about "producer gas" from wood chips. He made the producer gas to run a small engine that drove a generator.

This website has some really cool old books, lots on steam and engines. take a peak at the website.

http://www.lindsaybks.com/


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Re: switching from wind to steam (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by BigBreaker on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 08:02:48 AM MST
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That efficiency quote seems really low.  Have you thought about swapping the piston prime mover for a tesla turbine or other alternative?  The tesla turbines come across as a "Keeley net" type of thing, but they are just a simple to machine, drag type turbine.  The RPMs are perhaps too high for direct 60hz AC, but would be fine for battery charging.

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Re: switching from wind to steam (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by WXYZCIENCE on Mon Feb 4th, 2008 at 10:39:03 AM MST
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BigBreaker, I have heard it stated how efficient that the Tesla Turbine is. Have you tested one yourself? I would be interested if it was true.
Joseph.

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Re: switching from wind to steam (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by BigBreaker on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 at 12:17:01 PM MST
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http://phoenixnavigation.com/ptbc/turbogen.htm

This guy will make you a 250 or 750 watt steam tesla turbine (no boiler) for a few thousand.  His quoted efficiency is 33% not including boiler inefficiencies.  That sounds a bit too good to be true, but hey... it's a source.

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Re: switching from wind to steam (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by WXYZCIENCE on Sat Feb 16th, 2008 at 10:07:57 PM MST
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BigBreaker, you are correct about the price!! For that kind of money I guess they can say just about anything. I am very suspect about the claims.
My Point: I want to know how much wood, coal, gas the sucker uses to get one watt. Maybe even the actual number of BTUs that it needs to get one watt. Thanks for your source.
Joseph.

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