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A mono pole magnetic structure? [Comments Locked] | 37 comments (37 topical, editorial)
Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by fcfcfc on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:08:24 AM MST
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Hi: Is there any practical motivator to this outcome..??.. Does it solve an engineering problem for some "device"..??.. Are there theoretical valleys of exploration that can now be practically explored with this device, that were other wise out of view..?..



Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Flux on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:11:39 AM MST
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It keeps one man amused and wastes the rest of the nation's time.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:52:53 AM MST
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You are so right. What a waste of time trying to understand the most fundamental force in the Universe is.

I could be watching Starsearch and be another productive citizen like you.

Science. RIP.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by ghurd on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:57:06 AM MST
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Perhaps you should let the 1000s of PhDs worrking on it do this,
go back to OU,
and know who you are talking about before making a statement like that.
G-

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:07:49 AM MST
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I know exactly what I am talking about having been involved with permanent magnet research for the last fourteen years, funded by a major US company and have employed several Phd's over that period who freely admit to knowing less than me in many aspects of the science.

It is sad to see so little interest in theoretical magnetic problems and so much rudeness here.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by Flux on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:43:28 AM MST
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Sorry I did not intend to be rude. If you use your skill to develop better magnets we shall all be delighted to benefit from it. unfortunately any fundamental understanding of how magnets work is not going to produce anyone a better alternator.

We have all benefited immensely from the development of better magnets, but that is a field beyond the average persons capability. This is not the place for fundamental discussion on magnetic theory but I am sure there are such places on the internet.

One day if you make a better magnet then we shall all be grateful but I suspect that you will not be making a better windmill as the concept of unit poles doesn't work out too well and the homopolar generator remains in the land of one day wonders.

Flux

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:43:18 PM MST
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Dear Flux,

I appreciate your apology. Never the less I cannot see how theory and practice can be separated as one is a function of the other. It helps to know what you are doing but you do it.

Regarding a 'better magnet' or 'alternator', all I can say is watch the science news later this year and then repeat that statement.

What 'science news' you may ask. Well, you will know 'what news' when you see it.

Warmest regards,

aimulti

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by finnsawyer on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:00:51 AM MST
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You may know what you are talking about, but it's too bad that you couldn't convey that knowledge to us.  So much verbiage, so little sense....
GeoM
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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:28:39 AM MST
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Thanks for your reply. The experiment is more theoretical than practical and is one of many experiments based on by belief that if you understand magnetic flux (in isolation), you will soon understand everything.

It is based on the idea that if you cannot meet the 'master', then knowing his servants will tell much about him.

Magnetic flux is unique in that it is not corrupted by the act of perception as it operates outside time and lacks mass. It is a pure reference or datum plane.

If such a structure was possible it could unlock the secrets of gravity and also allow magnetic circuits that used induction (Eddy Currents) to increase not reduce output.

Hope this helps you understand why the construct interests me.

Best wishes,

aimulti

 

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by finnsawyer on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:46:24 AM MST
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Sorry, but the magnetic field also obeys the dictates of the Special Theory of Relativity.  You think this thing could be built.  Perhaps it can't.  Perhaps it would take infinite energy to do so.  You can calculate the energy contained in a shell of charge by bringing infinitesimal amounts of charge onto the shell and summing (integrating) all the amounts of work or energy needed to do so.  Can you do a similar calculation for your monopolar magnetic sphere?

From a practical standpoint when you try to bring the last few magnets onto the sphere they will insist on flipping.  If you try to use some sort of machine to hold the magnets, the magnets will likely disintegrate as the individual magnetic domains flip causing strong stresses in the magnets.  Just because you can conceive of something doesn't mean it can be built.
GeoM
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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:48:56 PM MST
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The mechanical problems of assembling the sphere have been worked out. It requires a fairly complex jig with hydraulic actuators and retracting sleeves. When you say the magnets will 'flip', do you mean physically or magnetically?

The mechanical flip can be stopped, as I said. The internal magnetic 'flip' or demagnetizing is a function of the B and H curve of the material. For 55MGOe NdFeB the ratio is about 7:1 so if the imbalance exceeded this ratio the magnet would fail.

In the proposed design the magnetizing force and demagnetizing force is kept in limit by the pinned flux.

The greater the contamination of the super conducting material, the greater the pinning and 'draining' of one side of the circuit.

The device does not require the addition of energy for containment, like a Stellarator or Tokamak, as it is a relative field block not an external field bottle.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by clflyguy (sidney.raiford@gmail.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:29:57 AM MST
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fc-
 It seems rather obvious to me that if the appropriate spherical (shell within shell) semiconductor could be carefully centered and suspended by insulated superconducting leads, that you would have a crude but effective flux capacitor, a
necessary component in in any attempt to build a functioning time machine
 

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