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Absorber plate for diy flate-plate collector | 14 comments (14 topical, editorial)
Re: Absorber plate for diy flate-plate collector (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by GaryGary (gary@BuildItSolar.com) on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 09:03:31 AM MST
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Hi,

Double glazing may not be worth the extra expense and trouble.  Almost all commercial collectors are single glazed with high transmission tempered glass.
Double glazing is a two edged sword -- you reduce the heat losses out the glazing, but you also cut down on the light transmitted to the absorber.

As you say, for a DIY panel the hardest part is coming up with a good way to attach the risers to the fins.  The wiring the risers to the absorber plate is not going to work well.

Using copper fins soldered to copper risers is thermally efficient, but is expensive and labor intensive.

My 2 cents would be that the best of the DIY techniques is to form 6 to 8 inch wide aluminum sheet to the shape of the riser tube, and attach the alum sheets over the riser tubes with some silicone caulk between the two to improve heat transfer.  I think these would perfrom pretty well, and this techniques has been successfully used (see the Maine Solar link below).  There are some silicone caulks that have fillers to improve conductivity, but they are hard to buy in small quantity.

There are a couple fairly easy ways to form the sheet to fit the risers -- see links below.

Another option is to buy the absorber plates premade, and build the rest yourself.

Absorber plates using Maine Solar technique:
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/MSClosedLoop.pdf

My "press":
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/SpaceHeating/SolarShed/House.htm
(this was for heat spreader plates, but same idea)

Another alternative is to use the extruded heat spreader plates that are sold for radiant floors -- these are pricey, but snap on the pipe with zero effort:
http://www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/CPVCCollector/cpvccollector.htm

This is the collector I built into my garden shed wall that uses premade absorber plates:
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/SpaceHeating/SolarShed/collectors.htm
By integrating the wall and collector you can save some money -- the net cost of the collector was only $8 per sqft (may be more now with current copper prices).

Some more ideas here:
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/SpaceHeating/Space_Heating.htm

Just as a final thought, have you thought about making some or all of the collectors be air heaters instead of water heaters?  These are a ton easier and cheaper to build.  The downside is that there is no easy way to store the heat, but until you have quite a bit of collector area, storage is not really an issue -- you get some storage for free as the thermal mass or your house heats up.

Gary
Gary gary@BuildItSolar.com www.BuildItSolar.com



Re: Absorber plate for diy flate-plate collector (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by mikeyny on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 at 03:40:09 PM MST
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   My diy system uses epdm roofing rubber for a heat sink and it works very well. I am pretty sure I posted info on it on this site, maybe even with pics. It was cheap for me since I used scrap rubber left over from a job. you may also check your local scrap yard for parts. Where I live I can have anything I want out of the scrap yard. I just pay by the pound.
                                            MIke
"I thought I made a mistake but I was wrong"
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Re: Absorber plate for diy flate-plate collector (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by mbeland on Fri Feb 8th, 2008 at 06:57:29 AM MST
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Excuse my ignorance but what is epdm roofing rubber? By heat sink do you mean absorber plate? If so, how do you assure good thermal contact with the piping? It seams that rubber is not a very efficient thermal conductor so it wood need to conduct the heat through the air by convection inside the collector which is not what we want from and absorber plate. Did I miss something in your post? Martin
Eau, soleil, le vent
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Re: Absorber plate for diy flate-plate collector (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by mbeland on Fri Feb 8th, 2008 at 07:47:35 AM MST
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Thank, Among all the nice ideas that you propose for absorber plates, the one I prefer is the use of soffit alu sheets that are fitted to the tubes with a home-made press. I was surprised to see on your photos that you used plastic pipes inside the collectors. It sure would be cheaper than copper tubes but I would be scary of leaks and of low resistance to high temperatures. What is your experience? Martin
Eau, soleil, le vent
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Re: Absorber plate for diy flate-plate collector (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by GaryGary (gary@BuildItSolar.com) on Fri Feb 8th, 2008 at 05:06:07 PM MST
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Hi,
The CPVC pipes were really just an experiment.  Nice as they are to work with, I'm not sure I would try them it for a real collector.  CPVC has limited temperature capability and the performance takes a hit because of the low tube wall conductance.

If a person were to give it a serious try, I would limit it to a single glazed vertical collector with some form of overhang above the collector to protect it from summer overheating.  Protecting the CPVC pipe from UV exposure would probably also be a good idea.  

I've thought about using PEX, which is somewhat "tougher" all around than CPVC, and the tube wall conductance is better.  For vertical space heating collectors, a serpentine tube PEX collector that uses the formed aluminum fins with the fins placed between the sun and the PEX, and something like single glazed SunTuf (which cuts out UV) might hold up for a good long time.  It would not be as efficient as commercial copper/copper collectors, but it would be so cheap you could make a lot of it.  PEX-AL-PEX has better burst pressure, and once you push it into a bend it stays holds that position -- this should make it easy to do a serpentine collector with no joints.  Somebody should try this :)

Gary
Gary gary@BuildItSolar.com www.BuildItSolar.com
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Re: Absorber plate for diy flate-plate collector (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by mbeland on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 at 05:59:25 AM MST
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For use in heating in winter, shouldn't I go for the most efficient that would be doable as a DIY in order do have any significant dent in my heating bill? Also I have read somewhere on the board that pex would suffer from the heat at the joints. I know you said no joints but between panels, there would be joints,... no? Would the temperature be low enough outside the panel to make it safe? Very interesting discussion. Martin
Eau, soleil, le vent
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