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Saft NiCad Batteries | 18 comments (18 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: Saft NiCad Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Bruce S (bruce(dot)stahl <at>gmail (dot)(com)) on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 09:22:46 AM MST
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I like your numbers but disagree on the HF panels. I've had mine for well over a year and have not had any problems. The controller on the other hand was only good for the power taps AFTER I fix it.

I disagree that they are garbage, in the winter I've seen more than their ratings.
It is possible you got a bad batch. Another long time poster (NothingToLose) has gotten bad ones and merely had them replaced.

Cheers;

Bruce S

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Re: Saft NiCad Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by mettleramiel on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 at 03:46:30 PM MST
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I've never used the HF brand ones myself, but I have used 2 different brands of 15wat amorphorous panels. Motomaster and some other one I can't remember right now. I have 4 panels in total now and both of the brands have given me low power output that has slowly dwindled over the last couple of years. They started out close to rated, about 70-80% which was fine, but droped months later and never recovered.

Maybe the HF ones are of higher quality than this? I was just making a generalization based on my own experience and others who have experienced similar results.

Myself, I just got a 30w crystaline panel and am MUCH happier with my array now.

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Re: Saft NiCad Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Bruce S (bruce(dot)stahl <at>gmail (dot)(com)) on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 11:42:16 AM MST
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Cool;
 Sorry to hear about those others, gives all of them a bad name , kinda like a a bad sales man:-)
Maybe those others can be used to trickle charge AAs?
The worst part of the HFs was the early controller, it sucked at best and when wooferhound got his it shorted the 3,6,9 volt outputs!! I quickly checked all the ones around the neighbourhood and sure enough other had the same problems. I basically pulled the stuff out and resoldered them, then used the noisy speaker as an ouput for a dump load controller from the famous dozen-aire (Ghurd) :-)

Hope I wasn't too rude:-)

Cheers
Bruce

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Re: Saft NiCad Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by Jeff (ruralmcguyver at yahoo dot com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 09:22:52 AM MST
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I forgot about those NiCad's being closer to 1.25volts, so the bank you'd want to set up would need to be 11 of those in series (13.75 volts). I say this because most controllers, and 12v systems for that matter, are made to charge at 13.5-14.4volts.

As far as solar panels, amorphorous panels will probably never compare to poly-, or mono crystaline panels. I mentioned the HF ones for "starter" purposes, they matched almost exactly wattage-wise the charging you'd need for what you have, and I'm familiar with them (have a set). I've had them about 17 months now & no problems (except the crappy controller). In fact, I'm very close to getting them on a new "tower" on a semi-automatic 2-axis tracking mount! Hopefully within a week if everything goes right. Wish I had a working camera to post pics, but that "fix-it" job is way down on the to-do list!
Rural McG
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Re: Saft NiCad Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by independent on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 06:14:27 PM MST
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10 standard nicads to make a 12v pack. 20 to make 24v although some use 19 in that case because of the high charged voltage. Goes over 15.3v, which I believe is the standard cutoff for inverters (inverters will shutdown above this voltage), when full for 10 pack in series.

There are ghurd's controllers if you need a fine grain approach to charge control (adjustable dump load controllers). Also, the better quality charge controllers have a charge cutoff which is variable. I would be hesitant using a charge controller which isn't made (or modified) for use with nicads. An adjustable constant current constant voltage power supply, used for electronics, would be better than a cheapie lead acid charger. If you had one of these, not only could charge them in a pack, but you could test each cell individually with controlled charges and discharges (using a large resistor) and match the similar capacity ones in strings (if you were doing 12v)

Those cells look alot like the bb600 spec ones EV people are using in their cars. There's even a yahoo group dedicated to them..

On the fieldlines (this) site is maybe some of the best info on wet cell nicads (on the whole web) if you want to search you will find the good stuff. Maybe search using google instead of the in built search function as it works better. Some of the info posted above is not very accurate to the care and attention these cells deserve. As looked after they should last a long time. Just don't keep them in the same company as PbA batteries!

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