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experience with anaerobic fermentation out there ? | 22 comments (22 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: experience with anaerobic fermentation out the (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by zeusmorg on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 at 07:43:03 PM MST
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 L. John Fry is also known as the "father" of methane production his first working plant in South Africa dates back to 1956, his designs still are emulated in the field today. The Mother Earth News built several designs back in the 70's and early 80's and have many articles on the subject.

 Fry's system mainly consisted of a large anaerobic digester, 2 converted diesel engines for electric generation, a good storage design and some scrubber systems.

 Journey to forever has one of his publications available on the web: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/MethaneDigesters/MDToC.html

 A must read for anyone wishing to get into this.. the University of Colorado also did extensive research into the subject at one time.

 It really depends on the scale of production your friend wishes to get into, and what raw materials he has to use.

 For a digester to properly convert any waste materials the temperature should be held between 80 and 100 F this is usually done by burning off part of the methane produced to heat a water loop. Stirring of the slurry also increases production.

 Safety is a VERY important factor in this, as a mixture of between 4% and 25% methane to air is explosive. You must insure there is no available oxygen content in your storage and piping systems, and these systems are considered an explosion hazard.

 Usually these systems aren't economically viable unless you run a large farm,and have the waste to deal with. I doubt very seriously you would be legal building a system within a metropolitan area.

 Also methane gas has a much less energy potential than any of the other common heating gases.  

 Getting a system up and running can be difficult and my experiment with a smaller system (200 gal multi-stage built out of 55 gal drums) wasn't all that successful, however I do believe with persistence it can be done.



Re: experience with anaerobic fermentation out the (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by Bruce S (bruce(dot)stahl <at>gmail (dot)(com)) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 08:18:14 AM MST
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zeusmorg;
  That's the other person!! Thanks for the other link, I for the life of me couldn't remember his name. He also nocited how much fewer problems with flies he had, they went in with the poo and stayed:-) circle of life thingy!!

One thing though, this is the item that is 90% of natural gas so the energy is right on track.
He was the one who even toured the US showing how easy it was.
The important idea of being carful with the air part. I'm glad to see all who've posted here about prodution has chimed in with it too.

Finn & TomW:
Since we're basically dealing in/with poo, I'm pretty sure everyone one got the joke. I don't think anyone reading these got upset about the jokes or mispeled words.
It's all "poo", so if you're dealing in/with "poo" you either have a thick skin and good sense of humor or this is the wrong area of conversation.

You should hear some of the jokes that go on around people who are indeed trying some of this out!! It's usually the women picking on the guys being so timid about the "poo" jokes. Most of them say this stuff is nothing compared to a babies first solid meal :-<> and how it'll pass...

If soemone's getting paid to post then I would be critcal of spelling, since no one is, well not such a big deal. Unless an English teacher is reading then ummmm sorry..:-)

It's very true about the temp being between 80F and 100F. below that and they work just slower above that and they begin to die out.

There was even a short part on PBS about making one in a 5gal water bottle, works great, except that it's not refillable without stopping the production.

Cheers
Bruce
PS, yep I make Alky in 5 gal plastic stills, much easier than loading poo :-()

 

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