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3 HP motor conversion | 21 comments (21 topical, editorial)
Re: 3 HP motor conversion (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by briskwinds on Sat Apr 19th, 2008 at 08:30:02 AM MST
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Hello friends,

As 4 pole is more common this is what all spinning in my head. I have drawn it to scale.



36 slots rotor
If I go for 8-10-12 winding, 4 pole winding then a pole width will be equal to 7 teeths in stator as in Zubbly's work.

Teeth to teeth  = 10 degrees (36 slot).
7 teeths = 70 degrees
Arc lenth at 230 mm (73 mm dia. rotor after turned down)
= 70/360 X 230 mm (circumference)
= 44.75 mm



According to this image I will be able to put
8 x 12 = 96 magnets over the rotor.

The total magnetic volume will be equal to no. of magnets x Pi x r^2 x h
= 96 x 3.14 x 6.5 x 6.5 x 10
= 127358 cu. mm. of magnets OR
= 7.771862 cu. inch
So according to Zubbly 150W per cu inch rule, I will get
7.771862 x 150 = 1165W of power.
This is more than Danb's 10 footer which i thinks in 1000W.

To Flux,

As Sparweb has said and what I thinks

"Changing the number of poles will not affect this result (much).  Think about what frequency of AC you want to receive - if it doesn't matter, then go for whatever you think it easiest."

Increasing the No. of poles will only result in increase in frequency.

Secondly if 6 or more poles will result in more than 10% in power output, and if I get some pointers (links) on coil winding and connection I will go for it.

One more thing that baffles me is that there is lots of dead copper?(copper that is not in stator slot) in 8-10-12 winding. Am i right on this? Is there an more good alternative to this 8-10-12 winding? I also have a thought that there must be a more good alternative that this 8-10-12 winding.

I like to have more pointers on winding.

Will not bow down to TomW's pressure on not removing image tags. The last image with image tags was 2 full screen in height on my wide screen monitor 1440 x 900) .



Re: 3 HP motor conversion (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by Flux on Sat Apr 19th, 2008 at 09:35:49 AM MST
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That looks perfectly ok for a 4 pole winding. If you stick with 4 poles then I doubt that you will beat the 8-10-12 layout, There are other ways of winding such as the 2 layer lap with all coils identical but they will likely end you up with more resistance.
Not much you can do about end windings, the smaller the number of poles the longer the wire to connect the ends. Low pole number machines are best long and thin, high pole number come out short and fat ( yours is very much short and thin).

You seem set on a certain power from your volume of magnet, I think that you must follow Zubbly's instructions as well as you can and trust to luck.

I would hate to influence you to change anything and you end up with less than that predicted power. I would expect the power per volume of magnet to be very rule of thumb and just a very rough guide. If you follow instructions exactly and you don't meet your target I shall sleep happily. If I advised changes and you failed then I would feel guilty.

Flux

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