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It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 | 74 comments (74 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by valterra on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 08:07:34 AM MST
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We don't care for all the associated politics and stuff in the green movement.  And we get bashed often because of our beliefs.  But ironically, my family does way more "green" stuff than some of my most "liberal" friends.  And we hate seeing companies and groups pull stunts like when NBC's Nightline shut off their lights for 10 seconds.  Give me a break.  Do you know how many 2K halogen lights are in a television studio, along with computers, cameras, climate control, etc?

Sorry - got off on a rant there.

We REDUCE (Mostly to save money) - All the usual stuff:  CFL bulbs, turning stuff off when we're not using it, generating our own electricity, driving as infrequently as possible, turn down the thermostat, etc.

We RE-USE - Save our plastic bags and reuse them for stuff, then recycle.  We don't use any styrofoam or paper cups or dishes in our house.  Have a bin of redworms that compost some of our leftover tidbits, and save containers to be used in the garage for nails, screws, etc.  Yesterday we lined our garden with wood that we scrounged from other projects.  And we just sharpened our saw so we can go out in the woods and gather up all that firewood that's just lying all over the ground.

We RECYCLE.  With a community recycling bin for us to use, we discovered that we only produce a couple bags of real garbage a week.  We were able to cancel our garbage service and piggyback off of my parents.  I've been saving cans to do one of those passive air heater things.

I was talking with one of my more liberal friends recently about who he's going to vote for, how he knows the earth is getting hotter, how bad this country is, etc., while drinking a coke he gave me.  When I was done, I said, "Where should I put this can?"  

He said, "Just throw it in the trash."

Oh well, people like me believe it starts with the nuclear family.  So we're doing everything we can right here at home.   :-)



Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by jacobs on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 08:30:55 AM MST
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I agree valterra! When your income is small, you must conserve. Our county landfill is only about a mile away, they only charge $5.00/pickup load, but we only use them about once every two years.

This last winter, we switched from propane to electric heat and saved about 50% on our heating bill. In the process, we replaced our compact flourescent lights with incandescent lights. When heating with electricity, there is no advantage to using flourescent bulbs.

For us, it's pure economics.

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Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by wooferhound (tim((NoSpamAt))wooferhound.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 08:51:53 AM MST
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"we replaced our compact flourescent lights with incandescent lights. When heating with electricity, there is no advantage to using flourescent bulbs"

I'm not understanding this statement ?

W o o f -={(

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Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by finnsawyer on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 09:05:26 AM MST
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When heating the house at a given outside temperature that means you need to "burn" a certain number of electrical watts, so replacing the incandescents with those other bulbs doesn't really save you anything except that the heat from the bulbs is in the wrong place for creature comfort, at the ceiling.  Heating the ceiling could also increase the heat loss through it.  But at 100 watts per bulb?
GeoM
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Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by valterra on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 09:15:55 AM MST
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I see his point as far as that goes.  Incandescent bulbs in lamp fixtures (which are usually lower than eye level) make sense.  Any RE person's criticism of incandescents usually goes like this:  Incandescent bulbs are space heaters that jut HAPPEN to also put out light.

So if you're using them as a 100W space heater, and you're getting light, that's great!  Switch to the CFLs in the summertime.   Well, or install a skylight.  :-)

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Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#50)
by jacobs on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:04:02 AM MST
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Yes, It's almost time to switch back to CFL's. We don't need or want the extra heat in the summer.

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Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#55)
by Ungrounded Lightning Rod on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 10:05:51 AM MST
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Incandescents also throw out infrared - more so than visible light.  So even near the ceiling much of the heat is thrown toward the floor.  (And reflectors that direct light downward do even better for infrared.)

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Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#60)
by Ungrounded Lightning Rod on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 12:51:51 PM MST
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Also:  A ceiling fan can bring the rest of the heat down (along with other heat that ended up there) using far less energy than adding more heat down low.

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Re: It's Earth Day, April 22 2008 (3.00 / 0) (#54)
by Ungrounded Lightning Rod on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 10:03:03 AM MST
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And we hate seeing companies and groups pull stunts like when NBC's Nightline shut off their lights for 10 seconds.  Give me a break.  Do you know how many 2K halogen lights are in a television studio, along with computers, cameras, climate control, etc?

Tell me about it.

Every time I go over the Dunbarton bridge lately I see the solar panels that KGO (the only financially successful liberal talk station, as far as I can tell) put in at the base of their antenna farm.

What the HECK are they powering with that, in their max-power transmitter blockhouse, right UNDER one of the high-tension lines feeding the bay area?  It's sure not heat.  B-)  The blinky lights on the towers?  The half-dozen bulbs in the blockhouse that are only on when an engineer is there?  The vent fans?  The darned panels are probably generating more power by rectifying the near field of their signal than they collect from the sun.

These days price is a very good signal of sites where it's ecologically sound to install alternative energy systems.  Twenty feed downwind of the San Francisco Bay salt evaporators is NOT one of them.


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