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Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap | 23 comments (23 topical, editorial)
Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by freeEnergy4me on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 09:53:54 PM MST
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Thanx!

I almost guarantee this will kill my winter heating bills. I just wanted to thank the other people for posting it in the first place.

As for the heat rising effect, the cans will be at nearly a 45 degree angle. They are going to sit on my roof next to my solar panels facing south. So the effect will be somewhat negated.

I figure if the air has to traverse a long path of hot cans, it will be very hot as opposed to just warm. I'll just have to increase the throughput of air.

Now, how do you warm your house at night?? Any suggestions?  I'll check out buidit and see what they say.

I put a black can filled with engine oil in the sun and it retained the heat for awhile. I wonder how long a big array of black cans with oil in them would radiate heat after the sun went down?


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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by ZooT on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 at 11:41:03 PM MST
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I wonder how long a few painted flat black plastic 5 gallon pails full of water would stay warm after the sun went down?

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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by freeEnergy4me on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 10:38:59 AM MST
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I thought about this as well. I figure that most plastics that hold liquids have some decent thermal transfer conductivity. You'd think?

But aluminum is by far one of the best options. It is a great conductor.

I've seen those indoor columns of water that heat up thru direct sunlight then radiate heat at night.

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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Bruce S (bruce(dot)stahl <at>gmail (dot)(com)) on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 07:52:56 AM MST
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freeEnergy4me;
  For oil, instead of engine oil, you might try using transmission oil. Its built to be much more stable at both cold and hot temp swings, along with working well in pumps.

Bruce S


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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by freeEnergy4me on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 10:35:06 AM MST
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Do you have an idea of how long heated oil/transmission fluid will stay warm?

I figure it will keep heat longer than water.

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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by ghurd on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 10:41:17 AM MST
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I keep getting the feeling you are confusing how fast something absorbs heat, with extra BTUs.
If it stays warm longer, it takes longer to heat up.
Just because it stays warm longer doesn't mean it has more heat from the BTUs that were available.
If it needs to stay warm longer, insulate it.
G-

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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by freeEnergy4me on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 10:38:30 PM MST
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No, I just want something to "keep the heat". Water is awesome as long as you keep heating it. But it takes many gallons of water to "keep the heat" where I'm guessing oil would stay warming longer, not more BTUs, just less BTUs right away. In other words, the water would be warm for a short period and give off it's heat right away when oil would stay warmer longer, distributing the same BTUs over a longer period.

If only I could buy those blocks they use to coat the Space Shuttle, lol. They absorb the heat incredibly well!

What is the best capacitor of solar heat? That is my quest!

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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by Bruce S (bruce(dot)stahl <at>gmail (dot)(com)) on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 11:10:49 AM MST
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What ghurd says is true.  
Tranny Fluid will be easier to handle than water to do its properties of being able to stay within a set viscosity over a wide range of temps. Its pretty much self cleaning too, so you might think about getting some for free from a local flush/fill type shops. Try getting a small amount and soaking a couple cans with your epoxy on them that are stuck together just to make sure it won't turn the epoxy stuff into goo.
You could also use a more complex system that stores the warmed fluid in a highly insolated container that would then be used to transport that heat in the evening to a heat distribution item.
However, more complex can also mean possible less eff% due to losses.

The one main gain from using the oil is that unless your located in -20F weather for days on end, it's not likely to freeze, so a drain back system shouldn't be needed.
BUT there's the possible need for a pump to move the stored/heated oil to place needing heat etc...

Tranny Fluid can be a mess to work with too, it likes to find leaks and make messy puddles.

Hope this helps and doesn't stop you from trying.
Any use of even a little bit of the solar heating gains will go a long way to helping keeping the bills down along with that way cool feeling of saying "I did this"

Bruce S

PS, Don't do  like I did, and get the idea that mineral oil and a small submersible water pump will work. Worked, but mineral oil gooped up the pump. wan't a good thing thing. Pump cost me $5, oil for 20fl.oz was $5. mess was all day. And the Tranny oil would destroy the cheap plastic they're made of.


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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by Chagrin on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 07:58:41 PM MST
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The specific heat of oil is less than half that of water. It's not a good choice.

You just can't beat the heat capacity of water. You'd have to go to liquid helium, hydrogen, or ammonia for a better specific heat.

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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by freeEnergy4me on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 10:33:29 PM MST
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The reason for using something else is find a substance that holds the heat. Insulation I guess would be a good idea. But if you had a substance that took long to heat, it would take longer to cool as well.

So even tho water is easy to heat, it also cools just as quickly.

The concentrators they use in Nevada use oil as do...cars to cool engines. Because they absorb more heat and don't change state like water.

I guess I'm thinking out loud. How do you capture heat? If you've taken a hot bath, you know how short heated water stays warm. Just thoughts. After all, if you can simply re-design your house to take in direct sunlight then you don't need any additioinal help warming your home. It's after the sun goes down...

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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by jonas302 on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 09:29:51 AM MST
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Maybe if you had some black  bricks behind your cans they would store some heat to
I had thought about checking into the 3or 4 inch aluminum pipe they use to exaust from the water heater for solar collecter

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Re: Creating a solar heating unit on the cheap (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by Chagrin on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 11:40:34 AM MST
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Concentrators in Nevada use oil because they're not storing the heat - they're transferring it. They also don't have to worry about steam. Engines don't use oil for cooling. They might cool the oil, sure, but the primary cooling system is the (water/glycol) radiator.

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