Go to Otherpower.com Home Page Go to Forcefield Shopping Cart Go to Wondermagnet.com Home Page
Front Page - [Homebrewed Electricity-- (wind) (solar) (hydro) (steam) (controls) (storage) (mechanical)] - Classifieds - Site News
Everything - Newbies - [Remote Living-- (housing) (heat) (light) (water)] - Rants & Opinion - Diaries - Our Products
Charging Batteries with a generator | 4 comments (4 topical, editorial)
Re: Charging Batteries with a generator (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Chuck on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 at 11:28:17 AM MST
(User Info) http://home.morrisonprairie.com

Normally you wouldn't do this, since the mx60 is a DC/DC charger and the Onan6500 is primarily an AC generator. However, looking at the Specs for the Onan6500 I see a DC output of 12v and 8.3 amps, this is roughly 100 watts. This won't get you very far on a gallon of fuel.

But let's do some bogus math. We'll assuming 100% efficiency, which is not going to happen by the way. We are also assuming a linear charging scheme, which is not the case. Lets also assume that the mx60 will charge a 48v system with a 12v input. Normally an MPPT charge controller is used to accept a higher voltage source for a lower voltage battery, not the other way around.

So you are at 80% of 220AH, which is to say you are down 44AH. 44AH at 48VDC is 2112 watt hours or 2.112Kwh. Your Generator is going to provide 100 watts per hour, so you'd need 10 hours to get 1 Kwh. You'd need 20.1 hours to provide the 2.112Kwh you need. In real life, it will take much longer.

If you have the above scenario, it will take you twice the time if you double your battery capacity, assuming 80% of 440AH @48VDC.

Many inverters (Prosine, Trace, Outback etc) have built in chargers that accept 120v AC and allow you to charge your batteries with a gas/diesel generator with much greater efficiency than the above scenario.

As with any charger, the amount of time this requires will depend on the charging algorithm of the charger, the size of your battery bank, the temperature and the state of the batteries.



Re: Charging Batteries with a generator (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Jedon on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 at 12:02:55 PM MST
(User Info) http://darklingcastle.com

Thank you so much for answering and showing your work!
Sounds like the generator should be connected to the Outback VFX 3648 48VDC/3600VA inverter in which case it can now charge via 120VAC, now it's 41.6A @ 120VAC instead of 8.3A @ 12V which using your previous math would be 120V x 41.6A = 4992W/Hour so could in theory recharge the battery bank in 2112/4992 or 25 minutes? But you shouldn't try and charge deep cycle lead/acid batteries that fast right?

[ Parent ]


Re: Charging Batteries with a generator (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Chuck on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 at 03:05:49 PM MST
(User Info) http://home.morrisonprairie.com

I am using an Outback fx3624 in just this way, and yes it's a lot faster. I actually only use it for a few weeks in the dead of winter when snow and clouds reduce the already short solar day to PV poverty. Then I only use it every few days for a few hours. Maybe if I stopped being lazy and put up my wind generator I could avoid even that.

My generator (also 5kw rated) has 20 amp breakers, so I can't supply more than 20 amps anyway, and that includes what I'm using while it's charging the battery. So I usually set it to provide about 16 amps for charging.

Your calculations will have to take into account the settings in the charger. A decent charger will allow you to specify things like the type and size of battery, high (bulk) voltage settings, temperature sensor (or not) and so on. This will prevent overcharging the batteries.

Every charger has an algorithm (Outback has a 5 stage charging algorithm) which limits the input depending on time and the voltage at the battery. So you may be putting 16 amps in for 10 minutes. It then ramps down to float voltage, where it stays or possibly drops down, while you waste gas, until it hits a set point and then charges up to bulk again, etc. You could be idling for hours.

I usually run it for a few hours to make sure I'm at float and turn off the generator. Most decent chargers have LCD panels that will tell you the voltage and amperage going into the batteries. If it's extra, pay the money. It's worth it. The temperature sensor too.

[ Parent ]



Charging Batteries with a generator | 4 comments (4 topical, 0 editorial)

Menu
· create account
· How to use the board
· FAQs
· search the board
· Google search the board
· Old Otherpower Board

Login
Make a new account
Username:
Password:

Powered by Scoop
You must be a registered user to post here. It's easy and free, and the link is on the upper right side of your page.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Postings are owned by the poster, but may be deleted or moved at the ADMIN's sole discretion. The Rest © 2003 Forcefield.
You can Email the board ADMIN here. PLEASE include the username you signed up with!