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Charging Batteries (Efficiently) with a Diesel Generator | 23 comments (23 topical, editorial)
Re: Charging Batteries (Efficiently) with a Diesel (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by bob g on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 09:02:49 PM MST
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dig a bit deeper on the amplepower site
and you will find a ton of info on the proper charging of batteries
forget their engine driven genset, yes it is very spendy

if i were to recommend a setup
i might go for a r175 changfa coupled to a 175-200amp leece neville
or a 110-555jho prestolite 160amp
derated to around 80-100amps
spin either to around 4000rpm alternator speed
and attach a balmar, xantrex or amplepower controller

the controllers are programmable to match the alternator to the available hp
programmable to the battery type and size, etc, etc.

how big of a battery bank are you working with? what voltage?

bob g

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Re: Charging Batteries (Efficiently) with a Diesel (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Usman (usman@aljeathen.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 09:14:08 PM MST
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The Battery Pack is around 25kwh, lead Acid type, 48VDC.

Can you further expalin what these controller can do, and how much they would cost? This matching seems to be a tricky job and, why not simply run the alternator without this controller?

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Re: Charging Batteries (Efficiently) with a Diesel (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by bob g on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 12:01:24 PM MST
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first of all these controller are typically for 12 and 24, i am not aware of 48 volt but they may be available as well, or one of the others might be made to work
with a voltage divider on the sense line.

a typical controller does the following

three step chargeing, bulk, absorption, and float, and some have manual equalization
they have a ramp up feature which brings the alternator up online slowly
saving belt wear
they have a feature to tailor the output to the available hp you have driving it.
they have alternator temp sensors which save cooking the alternator
they have battery temp sensors, which is important to not only keep the battery from over temp but is used to calculate the specific voltage needed referenced to temperature.
they have programmable settings for all types of battery technologies,, at least the major ones.
voltage set points are programmable, as well as time functions etc.

and a bunch of other functions, all programmable

the retail cost for a 24 volt version is about 300 bucks, or so
ebay for around 200 maybe less

again i am not sure if they are available in 48 volt, but a call to the oem
tech dept might allow one to be used on a 48 volt system.

i know how it could be done, but will refrain from making a recommendation

check out the balmar products, and read their FAQ
Xantrex also markets one, that looks lot like the balmar, might even be
a rebadged balmar i dunno.
ample power makes one as well
there are a couple of manufactures in england as well.

the boating folks use these controllers alot, so check out the boating forums
if you have other questions specific to your application.

in reality, boating and offgrid have a lot in common in my opinion. the boating
guys have been at the offgrid thing a very long time, so i figure why not learn from their experience. why reinvent the wheel?

you asked why not run the alternator without the controller?

if you build such a system, you will either end  up with

  1. a battery charging babysitters nightmare, or
  2. an instrument of torture for the batteries, or
  3. a murder weapon of the batteries, or worse yet
  4. a combination of the three
without some form of control with temp sensors you risk
overheating the alternator, burnout resulting with increased costs involved

without some form of control with temp senseing of the batteries
you risk damage to the batteries from overheating, under or overcharging
unless you are very attentive and careful.

one can certainly charge the batteries effectively and safely if he is careful
and monitors the process, that requires babysitting them over the complete charge
regime.

or he can use a controller, set it up correctly and not have to stand watch
i guess it all depends on how much your time is worth.

basically if i had a large set of expensive batteries that i were to depend upon
in an offgrid installation, i would step up to the use of a controller.
even if i had lots of time on my hands.. sooner or later i would be absent, sick or just make a stupid miscalculation and end up costing me more than the cost of a controller in battery or alternator damage.

let alone fuel consumption, which is also a significant factor.
the controllers are designed to charge the batteries in the most efficient manner possible, that means lower run times and less fuel burned.

then there is system life span, lower run times usually result in longer life of the components, engine and alternator.

lots of factors to consider

bob g

bob g

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Re: Charging Batteries (Efficiently) with a Diesel (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by Usman (usman@aljeathen.com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 03:34:19 AM MST
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Great explanation, thank Bob g, I just hope that I can find a 48V version.

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