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Ram Pump Problem | 14 comments (14 topical, editorial)
Re: Ram Pump Problem (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by noblelivestock on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 10:21:43 PM MST
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I know this is a bit late, but here are a couple of photos of one of the ram pumps in question.



I had to put a gate valve to lower the water pressure for the pump at the site with the larger head too. Too much drive head for the delivery head ... what a problem to have, huh? May I ought to relocate the pump and start working on a micro-hydro project for the remaining head.



Re: Ram Pump Problem (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by Flux on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 12:16:45 AM MST
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That is one of the problems with working with unsuitable valves. I don't like the idea of restricting the drive supply with a gate valve, in fact I would never have considered it, it will cause many problems. Also I see that you have plastic drive pipe and again this only works reasonably well at low drive heads. The elasticity of the pipe will seriously affect the operation, reducing the effective head to which it will pump and it will reduce the recoil wave needed to open the waste valve during each cycle.

If you need to go a long way to get the drive head then it is infinitely better to use a larger plastic pipe to feed a small tank at the drive head with a decent steel drive pipe running down to the ram at 45 deg. It doesn't have to be very long, there is a lot of myth about all this, but to keep it very short you will need better valves than plumbing fittings. Even with your fittings as valves I doubt that you need more than 20ft of drive pipe.

Rams are very simple and incredibly effective but if you don't understand their peculiarities they can produce strange problems and many are almost certainly not working at their best because of errors in design and installation.

Flux

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Re: Ram Pump Problem (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by noblelivestock on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 03:23:55 PM MST
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flux, thank you very much for helping me work through a frustrating problem. I know you mean well but your last post but it is more in the realm of the ideal vice the practical .. at least for me.
For less than 1/1000th the cost of even a low-end commercially manufactured ram pump -- professionally installed, I have two less-than-ideal, amateurishly-made-and-installed ram pumps.
Bottomline: I've water pumping up to the top of the hill. Will the pumps cause me trouble in the future? There's no doubt in my mind, but that's life at the lower end of the social-economic ladder. I have a 25-year-old truck (that runs well) ... practical, not ideal.
After having said all that, I must say: Thank You! I sincerely mean this: your help (and Scott's too) was invaluable. Without it, I may have stewed over the problem for weeks before getting the kinks worked out.

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