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Bill's Super VAWT and Gen... | 27 comments (27 topical, editorial)
Re: Bill's Super VAWT and Gen... (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by spinningmagnets (velmis1450bc(at)aol(dot)com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 05:29:17 PM MST
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Dear Bill, If you could make a prototype PMA that makes 48 volts cut-in when it's spun at 30 RPM, that would be very useful, whether you end up happy with your VAWT design or not.

I'm not allowed to have a HAWT where I'm at, and frankly, I can't see any way to improve it. If I can move to the country someday, I will copy the otherpower HAWT exactly. This leaves VAWTs, which may have some room for improvement...

Windstuffnow.com Ed put a Lenz2 on his roof and got a small pic in Popular Mechanics(?), but I have heard that a house mount puts a vibrational buzz through the entire frame. I'm not saying it cant be fixed (I've seen large machinery sound-isolated from a ships hull) but I'm just letting you know ahead of time what you might be wrestling with.

I think VAWT's have some similarities with water wheels (Google cameroon water wheel). Since their water wheel had very significant torque, they decided to go with a large diameter/high-pole-count PMA (expensive) instead of gear-up.  

If the rim speed is about 90% of wind speed, you can calculate the diameter of the VAWT relative to average wind speeds at your site to get your target RPM's. The way then to add more torque is to make it taller to add more swept area. This can get very unwieldy. The Jay Leno VAWT was as tall as a 2-story building (dont remember the brand), and the direct-drive PMA had a fairly large diameter to get a decent magnet speed.

Another choice is to make a very large diameter VAWT (in order to increase swept area, but results in slow axle RPM's in the same wind speed) and use gearing to speed up the PMA, a completely different can of worms.

Once you've cruched the numbers, a tower and a HAWT start to look pretty good.

Sometimes a new blood pressure medication results in a profitable blood flow to other areas (Viagra) so your VAWT design exercise may result in some useful data even if it doesnt reach your particular goals. Best of luck!



Re: Bill's Super VAWT and Gen... (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by fcfcfc on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:27:25 PM MST
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Thanks for the comments.... the gen will be in the 30" dia range using my blocking mag tech.. The diameter to height I believe will be right for the desired torque/RPM result. I have to do the wind tunnel tests... the design is my own and a bit different than what's out there... more on that after the WT tests in the fall. The VAWT will have a combination of an Aluminum exoskeleton and 4 guy wires. Its going to be on my new barn/warehouse so noises really don't matter much to me... will probably do some rubber dampening though... this is going to be a long project... probably 2-3 years till end...

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Re: Bill's Super VAWT and Gen... (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by vawtman (vawtman(at)charter(dot)net) on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 09:43:34 AM MST
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Hi Bill
 How are you going to do wind tunnel tests?

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Re: Bill's Super VAWT and Gen... (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by fcfcfc on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 09:58:38 AM MST
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I don't want say exactly (by name) yet, but I believe I will be "linking" with a university for a project type of structure. It is not a sure thing but looks pretty good so far.... If it goes through, I will revile turbine details etc.. in the Fall or Spring 09...

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Re: Bill's Super VAWT and Gen... (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by vawtman (vawtman(at)charter(dot)net) on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 07:25:03 PM MST
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Please keep your cape tucked in until then.

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Re: Bill's Super VAWT and Gen... (3.00 / 0) (#25)
by fcfcfc on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 07:21:04 AM MST
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LOL!!! my cape is being laundered due to excessive _hit from Ghurd...

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Re: Bill's Super VAWT and Gen... (3.00 / 0) (#27)
by vawtman (vawtman(at)charter(dot)net) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 12:16:32 PM MST
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Zubbly(r.i.p.) used flux spray on his cape for better performance.Not sure how it would work on stains though :)

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