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Flat Plate Axial Mill Part 4 | 21 comments (21 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: Flat Plate Axial Mill Part 4 (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by Flux on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 01:23:47 AM MST
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Slip rings are something of a pain and best avoided for most people but they can be satisfactory if well designed and built.

You have the ability to build things properly so you should be ok especially as you have experience of welding slip rings. The duty is similar and if you can get things to survive for welding you should be ok.

You need good thick rings running concentric with reasonable bearings, the brushes need to be low resistance grade ( copper/graphite or similar) and they need good pressure ( higher than machine rings that rotate continuously). The best type of brush holders seem to be the ones where the brushes are fixed to the arms and spring loaded against the ring. Holders with brushes sliding in boxes are not well suited to non rotational applications with reversal of direction.

Try to use 2 brushes per ring and you will need good weather protection, they will fail without it. Failure usually starts as a poor contact due to corrosion of part of the ring in a wind direction where the thing rarely sits. This starts arcing and the destruction is cumulative with the  ring going out of round. You will no doubt have found the same trouble with welding turntables.

For normal machine applications oil is a disaster and must be avoided at all costs. For wind turbines there may be some case for a thin film of lubricant to act as a corrosion inhibitor but contact pressure must be high enough or you start a spark erosion process.

A hollow shaft with wires passing through may avoid the need for rings but they can be done satisfactorily. For the average person with limited facilities they are best avoided.

Flux

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Re: Flat Plate Axial Mill Part 4 (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by brianc4 on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 09:56:54 AM MST
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Flux,

I will have to do some research on the arm type brush holders. I think I know the type you are talking about. If you could point me to any examples it would be a great help!

On the three welding turntables I have built over the years I used a 1" diameter graphite rod inside a 1" id. heavy wall tube. I isolated the tube with a phenolic mount & bushing and hooked the ground lead to the back of the tube. I had to use a very heavy spring as it was a part of the circut & had to conduct 400 amps as well. That might not be the best design with the spring in the circut but at the time I did not have an easy way to connect the wire direct to the graphite rod.

Let me know if tou think that design would be feasible for a wind turbine slip ring?

I had very good luck on the turntables using dielectric grease, the brand I use is from Trucklite and is used on electric connections on tractor trailers. I use it on all DC electrical connections on batteries & crimp connections.

Brian Clark

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Re: Flat Plate Axial Mill Part 4 (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by Flux on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 10:50:10 AM MST
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http://www.engineeringcarbonproducts.com/Brush_Holders.php

I hope this link works. If so it shows one of the common brush holders used for this sort of job.

Having the brush directly connected to the holder arm with no intervening sliding contacts or springs makes them much better for this application. If you build your own I would use carbon graphite brushes from starter motors or other low voltage motors rather than plain graphite, although at 48v graphite would be ok

I would try the rings dry but if you get tarnishing from the weather then try a thin film of the grease that you mention. At these low speeds it doesn't normally lift the brushes on a hydrodynamic film and the tarnish prevention may be better than not having it.

Flux

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Re: Flat Plate Axial Mill Part 4 (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by Flux on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 10:52:15 AM MST
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No significance in those italics, I did something and upset Scoop I think.

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Re: Flat Plate Axial Mill Part 4 (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by brianc4 on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:06:11 PM MST
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Flux,

Linked worked fine. Thanks for the help.

Brian Clark

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