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Idea for Very Low Wind Speed Generator | 11 comments (11 topical, editorial)
Re: Idea for Very Low Wind Speed Generator (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by TheCasualTraveler (a.miklos@yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 12:12:25 PM MST
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Just a couple questions,

Why a VAWT?

     Is it because of your location, in an urban area? Is it because of the size alternator you plan? I'm no expert but from what I've done with VAWT's I think 200 RPM's in a 12 mph wind would be what you could expect unloaded, or at least in the ballpark. Add that huge alt you plan and I wonder if you'll ever see cut-in especially at 24 volts.

Just how much power do you expect to get to make your work worthwhile?

     Although your wind is not great, 8 to 12 mph winds with a HAWT can still go a long way to keeping some batteries topped of for emergency or occasional use. Maybe more depending on your skill, your site and the efficiency of the alt.

Just my opinion,
Andy



Re: Idea for Very Low Wind Speed Generator (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by windygen (windygen@gmail.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 12:39:52 PM MST
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I'm certainly no expert either. But my thinking is that in limited wind speed, the best way to move magnets faster past coils is to increase the stator diameter. The engineering difficulties of a large stator and the presupposed torque requiremnts just seem to me to point to a VAWT.

I can't be more specific yet.


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Re: Idea for Very Low Wind Speed Generator (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by Flux on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:27:31 PM MST
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"the best way to move magnets faster past coils is to increase the stator diameter."

Increasing linear velocity gains you nothing. The angular velocity is not changed and the volts remain the same. All the larger diameter does is let you use more magnets. It is the increase in number of magnets that gains you something.

Surely the best way to move magnets past coils faster is to increase the rotational speed ( angular velocity). With increased speed the torque falls for a given power and everything points to a HAWT .

I see no real difficulties with a larger stator but I also see no need for it to be big unless you want lots of power. If you want lots of power in low wind then you need a large swept area and the alternator problem will be insignificant compared with the blades.

Flux

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Re: Idea for Very Low Wind Speed Generator (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by windygen (windygen@gmail.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:19:09 PM MST
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Thanks for the clarification. I can see that until I do some real hands on, it's going to be tough for me to get a grasp of the complexities of the relationship between the turbine and the alternator. At least you confirm that more magents, more coils means more power in low winds, and that's what I'm after. I hope to do a full scale model turbine out of PVC and get torque measurements with a prony brake over the next three to four weeks.

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Re: Idea for Very Low Wind Speed Generator (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by windygen (windygen@gmail.com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 10:30:00 PM MST
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Somewhere on this website, I read that using the same number of magnets and wire as two alternators but in a larger diameter configuration would give me four times, rather than just twice the power. Is this in fact the case?

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