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card edge pc board | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: card edge pc board (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by methanolcat (methanolcat (at)yahoo(dot)com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 12:18:12 PM MST
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  Hey bob g,

  For laying out your traces I have had great results using expresspcb, it's free and very easy to use, http://www.expresspcb.com/ExpressPCBHtm/Download.htm

     "how easy are these do it yourself etching kits to use?
  and are the results pretty good?

  i would expect there to be a learning curve, but after learning i would
  like a quality board that doesn't look like a hot steaming pile of dog poop
  if you know what i mean! :)"

  For professional quality boards made at home I recommend using MG products. http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/prototype.html

  I am not associated with any links provided, just use their products.

  I have used many processes of board prototyping.

     Sharpie pen (works fairly well for quick boards, need to space out components though and use wide traces for best results, most etch chemicals work ok on sharpie pen, DO NOT USE ammonium persulphate as it will also remove the marker then remaining copper and leave you with a blank board.)

     Another method reply #6 from Dinx71, good results but it is a lot of work.

     Simplest I have found is to use photo boards by MG Products, fairly priced with professional results nearly every time, you will also need to buy developer from MG for this method (17 ounces cost about 10 US dollars and you mix it, developer 1 part to 10 parts water and it takes very little to develop a board, I estimate you could develop 100 - 4 inch by 6 inch boards easily, maybe many more. All etch chemicals work well for etching this board although I prefer ammonium persulphate or sodium persulphate, both come in powder form, mix with water and remain clear to light transparent blue while etching so you can easily see when the process is done, ferric chloride is dark brown and you will probably have to remove the board several times to see if it is done but otherwise works well. And you don't need to buy any special lighting, I just use sunlight, bright works best (5 minutes), overcast day (20-30 minutes) times can be extended if you like but necessary.

    For more on this there is a tutorial on the MG web page.

    Here is a photo board I did today, started with Cat#612 single sided presensitized board 6" x 9", I cut the board down and only used what was needed, still have a large L shaped piece left over for later projects. Cost of board was 12.49 US dollars.

 


   I processed 2 projects on one board, now will cut, trim, and drill holes in each.

  Presto, 2 professional looking boards. Any other questions feel free to ask.

     Matt



Re: card edge pc board (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by dnix71 (yahoo.com 'dnix71') on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 12:39:39 PM MST
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That's a lot of holes to drill. With predrilled board you don't need the drill press and tungsten carbide bits. Yours looks professional but it takes time.

What's the current limit on your traces? Does the cad software make the traces wider if necessary?

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Re: card edge pc board (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by methanolcat (methanolcat (at)yahoo(dot)com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 06:39:28 PM MST
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dinx71,

   It is a lot of holes, but I can drill about 300 precision placed holes in less than 5 minutes on the cnc mill at work so no problem, I don't even have to put in the hole coordinates since express pcb can produce dxf files, I put it on a disc, put disc in mill, set up part and tool zero and drill, drill ,drill.

   As far as carbide, that's all we use so the shop is full of it. Hole sizes I use are .032, .046, .062, and .125. If I need any bigger holes I just interpolate them with the .125, any hole size up to 20 inches diameter, shapes, slots, etc....all easily done. I have drilled hundreds of holes with the same tooling so it holds up very well (I don't use drill bits, only 4 flute end mills).

   "What's the current limit on your traces? Does the cad software make the traces wider if necessary?"

   The software does not decide for you. You click on the size you want and go from there.

   I usually make them as wide as possible with the space I have without going overboard with it. The traces on the above circuit boards are (upper board .040) and (lower board .060).

   Max trace width is .250 with their software, you could actually go wider if you place traces next to each other with no spaces between (not sure why you would want to though) the program also has filled planes that you could use for traces and they can be any shape you like.

This taken from the help section on express pcb.

  " A good trace width for low current digital and analog signals is 0.010". Traces that carry significant current should be wider than signal traces. The table below gives rough guidelines of how wide to make a trace for a given amount of current.

  1. 010"  0.3 Amps
  2. 015"     0.4 Amps
  3. 020"     0.7 Amps
  4. 025"     1.0 Amps
  5. 050"     2.0 Amps
  6. 100"     4.0 Amps
  7. 150"     6.0 Amps "
    Matt

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