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Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question | 30 comments (30 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by ghurd on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 09:36:46 AM MST
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I though that too.
But it sounds like the inveter is already connected, and the fuse/breaker pops when the unit is turned on. ???

Is it a fuse or a breaker?
G-


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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by DigitalMind on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 09:50:09 AM MST
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It's a breaker.  I had them do that test too.  With the inverter UNPLUGGED, the breaker stays on.  With the inverter plugged in, it'll go back to OFF position right away.  I don't even think the switch for the inverter is in the ON position yet though. (But I could be wrong about that, I'll have to check that out)

Jason


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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by ghurd on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 10:02:10 AM MST
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Sounds like what TomW said.

Up for a Mickey Mouse quick fix diagnosis test?
Connect 2 tail light bulbs (ie #1156) in series for 24V.
Connect them to the ends of the breaker.
The bulbs will light up, then go dimmer and dimmer.
Wait 60 seconds after the bulbs go out, but leave them connected.
Flip the breaker.
Remove the bulbs.
Cross you fingers.

It should allow the big caps to charge at a controlled rate so the surge doesn't pop the breaker.
G-

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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by TomW on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 09:50:23 AM MST
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G;

I assumed it was just connected fresh install from the post.

We all know what assuming does, of course.

The surge filling a big dog cap bank is hard and fast as you know.

They even have current limiter devices to connect between those car audio caps and batteries to eliminate spot welding the connector to the cap terminal going from 0 volts to full at 12 volts and 1 farad.

My feeble mind thinks the cap may have filled on that first power up before most fuses/ breakers could react.

Tom

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by DigitalMind on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 09:57:43 AM MST
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Tom, it is a fresh install, and this is the first time ever the outback will be powered on.  Also, they're using a BREAKER that's rated for 400 volts AC.  Just for testing purposes, I had them switch the breaker to the one they're using for their Solar panels (Total of 840 watts) and that didn't make a difference.  

However like you say, if it's got a huge startup current at first, and they've already got the wrong and underrated breaker, I can now see how this could cause trouble.  They ordered the proper fuse from Outback now.  Atleast once they have that if it doesn't still work then we'll know it's not the breaker.  (or fuse depending on what outback is sending them)

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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by TomW on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 10:03:01 AM MST
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DM;

If they are savvy with wiring they could bridge the braeker with a auto bulb and let it charge thru that. It would limit current inrush. When the bulb dims and goes out it indicates the caps are full, then flip the breaker and it should hold.

Just an idea.

Tom

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by DigitalMind on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 10:23:05 AM MST
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Haha, you (Tom)  and Ghurd said the same thing at the same time. That's a really cool trick that I will use if I'm ever in that situation !!

Although since I don't REALLY know them all that well, and they're in Spain, i'll keep it safe and have them wait for the real fuse to come in I think.

Thanks so much for all this information !  

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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by TomW on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 10:29:25 AM MST
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DM;

You are welcome

Careful with the accolades. People might start to think I do more than anger new users around here.

DO NOT tell Glen I agreed with him. It could get messy.



Glad to help.

Tom

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by DigitalMind on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 10:32:00 AM MST
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Hahahahaahahahahaahahahahahaha,
   That was the funniest comment i've ever read from you Tomw... made my day ... i'm still laughing as i'm typing this.

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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by ghurd on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 11:13:29 AM MST
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Anybody know how to get this last button to work?
http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/2050/BanTomW.JPG

Sorry guys, and sorry twice to TomW.  
Way too much time on my hands today.  Busy waiting.
I'll pull it in a day or 2.
G-

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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by TomW on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 11:54:19 AM MST
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Glen;

Go ahead, really. Like our latest irate blocked from posting new user, I got more IP addresses and email accounts than you could ever block.

No harm no foul.

Despite the common theory, I do have a sense of humor just no patience.

I love helping folks with practical advice if I feel I know the answer. The playing security guard is just the punishment for offering to help 6 or 7 years back!  [:=}

Tom

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by DigitalMind on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 12:02:02 PM MST
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Hahah... Ghurd, VERY funny image.  
TomW, I also have a lack of patience but still like to help, and although sometimes you've come off as harsh, atleast you get your job done.  When I post a message, I can't help but think "Did I research this properly ? Am I giving the appropriate info to go with my question? Should I quote and put links to what I've tried and read BEFORE asking this question?"

Just to make sure I don't make TomW frustrated... :)    

Thanks again ..  

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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#28)
by veewee77 on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 09:16:42 PM MST
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Never, ever, under ANY circumstances attemt to use an AC breaker for a DC circuit. They have completely different tripping mechanisms and parameters and if tripped under a load will burn up in a nice blue flame. And the magic smoke will escape.

Very likely a CD breaker will not trip un this circuit.

Doug

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Re: Outback 3000 Watt Inverter Question (3.00 / 0) (#29)
by DigitalMind on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 07:06:29 AM MST
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Veewee77, I can't help but feel you must be right, but i've read lots of conflicting information about this.  Either way, they ordered the proper breaker from Outback and it's unplugged now while waiting for it.   I personally have never used an AC breaker for DC however.

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