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Where too next for Fieldlines | 49 comments (48 topical, 1 editorial)
Re: Where too next for Fieldlines (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by TomW on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 07:02:48 PM MST
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OZ;

Well, I think if they were "Diaries" we usually do not put them to the FP. Mostly historically than some "policy". At one time we did bump Diaries to the FP but there were issues with some users not wanting their Diaries on the FP.

I do honestly try to push all interesting "regular" stories to the FP, almost always anything where someone is doing something, even a simple TDM and PVC blades.

Scoop has been getting steadily less stable as time goes on. The uploads area is one example. Mangled filenames, corrupt files, etc.

I do not look at the FP myself, I use recent activity to keep current. Even that is buggy and stuff slips through that I don't see until another comment is added.

Anyone working on a real project will get an FP bump for questions. Mostly so they can get an answer quickly.

There is really no policy as such for what goes FP. Sometimes there is not much to choose from.

It kind of comes down to getting the most use of this resource for the broadest audience. Lately that seems to be folks with questions on planned projects and some in progress projects.

It is also summer up here and most folks do their projects inside in the workshop in winter and outside stuff in summer. I think your southern hemisphere seasons being reversed makes it look worse than it is. By the by, you were pretty quiet all winter up here but I figured it was because it was summer there.

For a site with 11K+ registered users, we do not get a lot of fresh story posts. Frankly, some are not worthy of inclusion at all but we leave them in their section.

OK, heres my proposal for fixing this:

I make you an editor [its like vampires, takes one to make one]. You can push stuff you think should be up front to the FP. It takes 30 seconds to infect you [%=}.

Beyond that, I think we are open to suggestions. Not like we can force folks to build turbines and systems and post about it.

Your call.

Tom

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain



Re: Where too next for Fieldlines (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by oztules (oztules__at__bigpond.com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 12:02:24 AM MST
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Hi Tomw,
Thanks for your response.
"I do not look at the FP myself, I use recent activity to keep current. Even that is buggy and stuff slips through that I don't see until another comment is added.

Anyone working on a real project will get an FP bump for questions. Mostly so they can get an answer quickly.

There is really no policy as such for what goes FP. Sometimes there is not much to choose from."

If you check the reply to Robin (above ?) it mostly covers this I think, however......

 1. Bumping questions to FP is probably a waste of advertising space. The users that will answer them will not know it is there anyway.... they will do like you and me and use recent activity page (bugs and all... it sort of works ok)

 2. Your right, looking through I was shocked to find only 3 wind stories for the month thus far... frightening really, although Bent1 has come to the rescue with a small fourth. (great to see it on the FP). I don't see the need to keep the front page fresh, but I do see the need to have interesting stuff on it, as it is first stop for re-directs from otherpower.com... they will not have seen it before anyway, and you want to attract the doer to want to do as well.
What you want their first impression to be of will come from here....and what they see first is pretty sad really,..... the doers will turn off here.
You want it easy to see interesting stuff right away, at the moment they have to sift through a months postings to find a few stories at all, and impossible to find an inspiring one straight off the bat.... just seems a waste of resource.

 3. The broadest audience for answering things will be found on recent activity pages. pushing Q&A to the FP is a waste..

 4. Perhaps there should be a policy on the FP, and this should include... no questions, no classifieds, no links to newsworthy stories RE or otherwise, but practical interesting/inspiring projects only. Skewed to wind, but including other RE stuff. Remember, we won't see it anyway, but newcomers from otherpower will.

 5. I didn't start this rant to get front page billing (that none of us see), I just got alerted to the fact, that it was a resource that was not being used in the best interest of a practical site. It showed newcomers that we didn't do anything worthwhile.... maybe thats why we attract the current crop of non-doers. All they see are newbie questions,and classified and links to "stuff" and so do the same... The practical folk go "this is dribble" and move on

It is sad that with 11000 or more users, we seem to have attracted a good deal of hot air, and too few project people. And your right, you can bring them to water but you can't make em drink....... but they can be encouraged....

One of the other things that may entice users to take the time to produce an interesting post, is, if it is any good, it won't be lost forever in 2 days (like my last project). I think it was a good post, but I know it will last a day and be gone..... so why bother anymore.

If people knew that their effort would be accorded some time to be viewed, you may give incentive to post good postings. At the moment that is so far from the truth it is a serious problem.

At the moment, a quick rant attracts attention, (Ronb plays this card well) a good inspiring post will be gone tomorrow, with very few benefiting from it. Thats why I have had enough.... it just isn't worth the effort to spend 3-4 hours doing a post, in the hope you may inspire or help someone, to be lost in a day amongst the chatter. A chat post will hang around for days and days and is a three minute post, so this is why we are attracting hot air posts. There is no incentive for people to go to the trouble to inspire, or entertain us with good practical postings.

A simple fact.... Good informative, entertaining, well pictured posts take a lot of effort. Short dribble posts take no effort.... guess what posts we attract now.

We need a way to help decent posts to be worth posting, or there will be less and less, as others see it is not worth the effort.

I am encouraged that Hugh has seen the worth of the blade story, and I think Backshed is doing something to allow blade builders at that site at least, a chance to see blades being made differently than has been the case. Neither have been at my behest if you are wondering.... they have obviously built blades the hard way before.

I will give the edit option some thought, but not sure if I am up to it..... I may be a bit too brutal. (I have obviously given you so much grief, that you have finally decided to get even)

...........oztules

Flinders Island Australia
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Re: Where too next for Fieldlines (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by elt on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 05:59:33 AM MST
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> For a site with 11K+ registered users,

I wonder what they do ... for the most part, it seems, that most stories get 120 to 180 readers in the short term. Nice reference works maybe grow to three or four hundred over time. It seems to me that people are reading stories, regardless of where and when they were posted but not too many...

I'm not bothered to read someone's comment that the stories and diaries I posted this month are "piffle" _ I'll defend anyone's right to their own opinion _ mine is that they weren't piffle to me.

- Ed.

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Re: Where too next for Fieldlines (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by oztules (oztules__at__bigpond.com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 06:06:51 AM MST
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I'm most apologetic Elt, I missed that one on the second August.....
The only wiggle room that I have is that it was in mechanical not wind..... but that is a poor excuse at best.

Please accept my apology

It was a good informative post.. so that makes about 4 for the month..

........oztules
Flinders Island Australia
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Re: Where too next for Fieldlines (3.00 / 0) (#27)
by elt on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:13:22 AM MST
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There's no need to apologize. As I tell my family, "sometimes a Lion has to Roar."

 - Ed.

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Re: Where too next for Fieldlines (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by oztules (oztules__at__bigpond.com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 06:10:53 AM MST
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And I missed Blue Yonders as well (mechanical also)

Sorry Blue
Flinders Island Australia
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