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Adding More Batteries | 14 comments (14 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: Adding More Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by farhan on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:44:06 PM MST
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Thank you all for your comments and sorry for my late reply, as its night here when its your day time.

The specification of the UPS i can't ever get for you because its locally made and sold heere in the market without any details of it. No mention of what type batterries we should attched to it. Everyone uses wet batteries because deep cycle ones are really expensive here and old stuff that has been in the shelves for years. Even if i do buy it, it won't run for more than a year or at most two. So in that cost i can get 3 wet batterries of the same amperage and run them for 3-4 years easily.

The UPS is 600watts and it can run 4 fans and 4 tubelights. Each fan is 80w and each tubelight is 40w. That is what the UPS was made for, it did give me 1 and half hours of backup for 3 fans and a light when the battery was new, but its just year old and the backup is so low. I know that it won't be able to charge again this early because as i told you all that electricity goes for 2 hours 3 times a day. So i can se why the less backup, but the amazing thing is that the UPS says the battery is fully charged and still the same backup. At most when fully charged it gives me 1 hour backup for 2 fans and then i have to close one fan and it run for half an hour more, and with it two small energy saver bulbs of 11w each.

The UPS is on 12v, 600w output. Its also eating up my electricity bill because its always on charging with minimum or no efficiency at all. The only problem i can see is that the battery is fine but the UPS's own efficiency is not giving the backup. The same battery as you all rightly mentioned give 4 hours of backup if attached to a normal 650va, 390w APC or PCM UPS which i have. But those are just 400w and the problem is that the built in charger takes 4-6 hours just to charge a 7AH battery how will it charge the 145ah battery and give results.

The UPS business is hot here because of the electricity problem and the prices are sky high and quality very very low. The things that are being imported here are c grade chinese ups. That you all will call junk. But due to monopoly and the cost of working here people are not ready to import the good stuff because they won't be able to sell it.

I myself imported good quality UPS for computers about 2 years ago and the problems i faced only i know, the junk was being sold like cakes and even if i presented my good quality UPS to them they were not ready to buy from me at my cost price even becuase of the cut they got from the other suppliers.

As for the "free" battery part, Yes free but new.

Yeah atlast we are going to get a new President, hope things work out now but really can't hope too much.

I think i have cleared many points i could, now please can anyone help. I thought of changing the UPS too but the next one will be same too as only those are available here and i don't have more money for a new one again. All i can do is work with the things i have, also trying to build a wind turbine hope it gets ready and works well just to charge the battery and atleast save me from the charges of the UPS's charger eating up my bills.

Thanks in advance to all of you.

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Re: Adding More Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by scottsAI (user name at eml dot cc) on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 at 12:23:47 AM MST
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Farhan,
Your problem is unique as will be the solution.

The 600w UPS can charge fast. (Seems to).
Problem:

  1. w: Inefficient after charging and while running in backup.
  2. w: efficient, takes too long to charge.
OK,
Use a heavy duty switch to connect to the 600w for charging, once charged switch battery to the 400w APC where the loads are. Turn off the 600w.

My APC 1000w supports changing the batteries while in operation, have tested to verify.

Not the greatest solution, may work for your situation.

Have fun,
Scott.


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Re: Adding More Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by farhan on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 at 10:52:53 PM MST
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Thank you for your information.

Problems in Pakistan are always unique : ), coming back to serious point.

The solution you told me can be done but i can't just keep switching things from here to there all day 3 times. I am not home most of the time and my family can't do that.

Yes the 600w locally made UPS charges very fast, even if electricity goes 3 times for 2 hours it seems to give same backup everytime. My APC 1000w is not supporting the big wet battery, starts beeping when connected to it. Should i put thick wires in the PCB for battery? maybe the thin wires are not supporting the 145AH battery?

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Re: Adding More Batteries (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by scottsAI (user name at eml dot cc) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 04:11:03 PM MST
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Farhan,
I wired two UPS to one battery, been working fine.
New wires are several times longer, used much heaver wire.
New wires equal the resistance of the original wires connecting the battery.
Also kept both wires next to each other (+,-) minimizing inductance.

You might be able to do something like that with relays.

AGS is a battery manufacture, they specialize in SLA type used in UPS.
Should work if connected correctly to APC UPS.
I connected a flooded Lead Acid battery and it worked.

If not then more information will be necessary to figure out why.
Battery voltage when connected,
How doe the newer ones work with it ect.
Many more.

Have fun,
Scott.


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