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What I have been doing, Solar and Conservation | 25 comments (25 topical, editorial)
Re: What I have been doing, Solar and Conservation (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by ghurd on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 01:12:26 PM MST
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Often called a "Tempering Tank".

Depends on where you live?
We don't heat the house about 7 months a year.  3 months welcome any cooling.
If I could get the water from 55F to 72F, that is a gain.

My cheapie water heater is far less efficient than my furnace.  Much of the water temp increase would be caused by heat from the efficient furnace, instead of the cheap water heater.
That would mean a gain too... I think.

Here, the electric co gave a reduction in rates if an 80 gal tempering tank was installed before an electric water heater.
No idea if they still do.
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That waste water thing is cool.  Someone did a study of a working unit in a USA duplex, and I figured DIY payback was like a couple months before copper went up.
I would have one if our shower was over a basement.  :-/

I often thought SOMETHING before the recovery part would increase the temp.
Maybe 50' of 3/4" CU.
Maybe 25' of 3/4 CU with 6" pieces of scrap #12 soldered to the sides as a heat sink (anti-heat sink?).

And maybe if that verticle do-hickey was insulated it would work better.

I see there are a buch of new replies since I started, but I'm leaving this as-is.
G-

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Re: What I have been doing, Solar and Conservation (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by mixerman on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 05:22:50 PM MST
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I cant see where coils around the out side of a pipe momently coming in contact with heat will do it. This I think is better.

mixerman

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Re: What I have been doing, Solar and Conservation (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 01:23:11 AM MST
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The coils round the side of the pipe apparently do work because (if you've set things up correctly) when showering a thin film of water runs down the inside of the waste pipe transferring its heat very effectively and flow is not impeded.

A grey-water sump as you have shown will accumulate 'bath hair' and worse and breed exciting biofilms and worse IMHO!

Rgds

Damon


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Re: What I have been doing, Solar and Conservation (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by BigBreaker on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 08:07:17 AM MST
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I agree with Damon on grey-water.  It shouldn't stand for more than 24 hours and it should never go through regular (small) valves, tight curves, traps or diameter reducers.  The hassle of pulling out the hair will cause the project to be abandoned.  It will clog.

Perhaps a flapper valve and toilet hardware would work?

For grey water think big diameters and slow.

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Re: What I have been doing, Solar and Conservation (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by mixerman on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 08:42:15 AM MST
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I think what is meant is a virtical drain pipe is coiled on its outside not in any direct contact with the heated gray water.

In my pictue you will see that the coils are in contact with the gray water, Im sure this would allow for some kind of build up! (soap scum, hair, cooties)the core of the tank would be self-contained though! Dont really know if the build up would really effect its effenecy or create some kind of hassard.

The plumbing would remain the same size in use in the system 1 1/2" traps should work fine , the existing drain traps have never cloged in 20 years. For a controled drain maybe a ele t-stat! I think some cas have them today.

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Re: What I have been doing, Solar and Conservation (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by BigBreaker on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 09:03:15 AM MST
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I think the coils in the grey water tank will get some build up.  Also that tank will need to be totally drained daily to avoid having it go septic.  I would consider putting the coils on the outside of the tank rather than inside.

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