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My Swirled VAWT Idea | 20 comments (20 topical, editorial)
Re: My Swirled VAWT Idea (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Stonebrain on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 08:58:18 AM MST
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It's really very nice.

The idea goes for tsr < 1,that means the 'sails' are moving slower then the windspeed,
the blades are alternatively 'sailing' upwind and downwind.

If you're going to do a design for tsr > 1,the blades are sailing upwind all the way around.In fact,that's a darius.

The bigger the tsr,the less it will need adjustment of the blades.

Personally I'm thinking of a kind of darius,with 'passive' adjustment.
If you make the 'sails' of a darius some kind of flexible they will be 'pushed' in a better position just by the pressure of the wind.
Well,that's what I hope.Probably there are some problems I don't think of yet.

Any way,the mechanics needed for ajusting the blades in the exemples you mentioned is a real handicap for this kind of design.

cheers,
stonebrain


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Re: My Swirled VAWT Idea (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by Stonebrain on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 09:11:17 AM MST
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In fact,that's what I like about woofers design:it's kind of passive,no need for more complicated mechanics.

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Re: My Swirled VAWT Idea (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by Akos on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 12:56:49 PM MST
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Are you 100% sure, this is tsr<1  ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXezZvMMT28

Anyway, I still think there are too many blades on it...
Three should be enough. On three different level above each other. This guy seems to be understanding the basics of his own concept, but fails to optmise it I think. Back side of his design gets no wind at all, despite of having efficiently tilted blades.
(Similar to my thinking is the WINgD Mill, which is shown on a video I have recorded 2 years ago.)


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Re: My Swirled VAWT Idea (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by Stonebrain on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 01:18:03 PM MST
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I'm quite sure tsr<1.If not,the blades moving downwind are in the wrong position.The video is taken on a very windy day.I don't know what the guy is saying(I don't have sound).
Anyway from the figures you gave in your comment this is completely clear.They explain like a sailboat sailing in a circle.

cheers,
stonebrain

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Re: My Swirled VAWT Idea (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by spinner (itsmejonny@email2me.net) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 07:36:10 AM MST
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rule of thumb on a vawt is tsr=1
while it is true that some do achieve more, units like my dual helix are still: tsr=1.
experience has hammered home one fact to me: design it for sufficient torque then find a workable way to gear it up for more speed if ya need it.
note: generator design can help the thing work better at the speeds it produces.
note: when you gear for speed you need more torque than you do for 1 to 1 gearing
spinner

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