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Small scale solar MPPT wins 21% | 47 comments (47 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: Small scale solar MPPT wins 21% (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by commanda (alwynne at unwired dot com dot au) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 08:27:41 AM MST
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Ed,

What I was getting at with current monitoring, is then you can use the same circuit for your windmill. Unloading the mill really won't work.

I typically use commercial 1 milliohm shunts with an op-amp amplifier. This cct without the analog meter. Scale the gain to suit adc input on micro.
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/9/4/193922/2839

Amanda

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Re: Small scale solar MPPT wins 21% (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by elt on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:43:49 PM MST
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Hi Amanda,

Yes, I'm learning that you need the full-boat to control wind. I used a hall effect sensor in my first booster, then used the battery cable as the shunt in the second. The first approach seemed more reliable than the second, at least as far as my abilities could take it. This booster is pretty much a cut and paste from the advice I got building those two, though the "control section" is different in all three.

So far, I haven't used a commercial shunt but one thing that I like from looking at them is the real terminals for attaching real cables. Yes, the Allegro current sensors have really big fat pins but that sticks me with having to implement the part between the cables and the pins and I just don't have that much experience with more than digital power levels. Seeing an experienced engineer like you using a commercial shunt is very persuasive.

For wind, I'm hopeful that the sensing the FET voltage idea suggested elsewhere in this thread works. I'll build a testbed to see if I like it; if not I'll dig out the $10 and get a shunt like yours.

Thanks again,
 - Ed.

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Re: Small scale solar MPPT wins 21% (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by s4w2099 (movlw0x13h@yahoo.com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 07:54:31 PM MST
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Just a comment about C3 and C2. I dont want to start a flame war about this but I would not remove those capacitors from the circuit and this is why.


Removing those will enable track and wire inductance to act as an open circuit for very small time. Hard to explain but here it goes.


Current in an inductor increases with time. At t=0, when mosfet switches off (t=time) the inductor will be an open circuit. This would be very bad for your mosfet as the voltage spike created by the boost converter will have no place to go, thus nothing to clamp that voltage down. That situation might enable that voltage to exceed your mosfet's Vgs.


Another thing is that with such a fast dV/dt (rate of change of voltage) the parasitic capacitor between the drain and the mosfet gate will create a voltage in the gate. This is very very bad as this voltage will turn on the mosfet when it should not be on.


If you make the path from your mosfet drain-diode-C3 very very short you will be running on the safe side as this huge spike's energy will just be stored in C3. C3 will not let the voltage spike so high then.


It is extremely important for the survival of the booster that the output inductance it sees is minimal, and that is achieved by shortening tracks and adding capacitance.


I am not great at explaining things but I hope you get the idea.

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