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US has a third world electric grid | 27 comments (27 topical, editorial)
Re: US has a third world electric grid (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by scorman (scorman@stny.rr.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 07:24:14 AM MST
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I'll diverge from the general "piss-n-moan" chorus to what I feel is a very real inadequacy in the basic design of residential grid service that nobody seems to have mentioned:

All industry uses three phase supply, while residential service is restricted to single phase ....all the motors that drive furnace blowers, heat pumps, frig/freezer compressors, air conditioners, etc are all wasting probably 1/3 of the electricity to run them. The three phase motors also require lower amperage per leg, therefore less copper wire for major hookups, which was not an issue when copper was cheap.

The construction of three phase motors is simplier (cheaper? less copper?) ...no capacitor, no centrifugal switch start mechanism ...more reliable service
It was probably a arbitrary decision made in US just after Tesla convinced the world about AC vs DC ??

We are talking about savings of 1/3 of the major electric consumption in a residence...this is NOT insignificant...but we will have to live with it!

Slightly OT: I recently replaced a 40+ year old Sears 22cuft chest freezer with a brand new model for $400 ...it only runs at 1+amp ie 130 watts and reduced my consumption to 1/5 ...at $0.12/Kwhhr, it will cost me $36/yr vs $172 or a three year payback ...didn't realize the extreme until I got a Kill-A-Watt meter!

Now I am looking for a fractional hp DC motor to drive my squirrel cage blower in the domestic hot air system to replace the standard AC 1/3hp been running for 30+ years.
Need to determine wattage vs rpm of that unit.

Stew Corman from sunny Endicott



Re: US has a third world electric grid (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by DDT77 on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:10:29 PM MST
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I might say, however, that the transformers needed for three phase add expense and losses to the system as well. As many of the motors in appliances now have a converter hung between the motor and the utility anyway, these machines are more and more going to three phase anyway. The trend is away from single phase induction machines to three phase PM machines, so a drive is needed.

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Re: US has a third world electric grid (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by thefinis (thefinis@hotmail.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 08:43:46 AM MST
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What you seem to forget is that it takes twice as many lines on the power poles for 3 phase. This might not be a problem with urban areas but is a big factor with rural lines where meters are generally farther apart. My guess is that the power loss from extra lines and transformers would offset much or all of the savings and the extra investment and upkeep are a strike against it for smaller power users.

Like most solutions to problems the solution comes with its own problems.

Finis

Texas born and bred
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