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US has a third world electric grid | 27 comments (27 topical, editorial)
Re: US has a third world electric grid (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by ghurd on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 11:54:33 AM MST
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I don't think Europeans understand the scales here in the states.
And I am not entirely convinced most Americans do.

"Denmark couldn't sustain its >20% wind power in its grid without those long transmission links."

Denmark and long? Denmark can't have a "long transmission" in US terms.

Scott's "apples and oranges".

Denmark is less than twice the size of Ted Kennedy's tiny little insignificant Massachusetts.  Denmark is about 1/10th the size of California.
From wiki: A perfect circle enclosing the same area as Denmark would have a circumference of only 742 kilometres (461 mi).
That's little more than half the driving distance from California's southern to northern borders.
The Hoover dam's transmission lines (circa 1935!) carry power to L.A. 462 kilometres (287 miles), or about twice the diameter of that Denmark circle.

I drive 1050km (650 miles) to visit my sister.  I only cross 3 states borders, because she lives just past the last one.
I drive 1100km (700 miles), then go another 300km (200 miles) in a sea-plane to go fishing.
Once I drove 1700km (1050 miles), in one day, to Disneyland. (now we fly!)
My father-in-law drives 3550km (2200 miles) to see his son.
Gosh.  I drove more than 461 miles so my wife could meet Steven King for a couple hours.
Those distances are one way.

In 2006 (BTS numbers), the US had 13,551,624 lane-km (8,420,589 lane-miles) of roads.  Most of it has 'wires'.

Rewiring the US is going to take a lot of wire.  And money.
That's all I am saying.

I read the US figures it has $50 billion ear-marked to rebuild Iraq.
And Iraq has $80 billion of oil money it has no idea what to do with.
Maybe Iraq should rebuild itself (it IS their fault they need rebuilt).
Then the US can re- ear-mark that $50 billion for updating her own grid!
G-

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Re: US has a third world electric grid (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 12:28:57 PM MST
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"Long" as in "spanning Scandinavia and Northern Europe".

The US has about 5 or 6 times the population of the UK (which would squeeze into Illinois by land area at a guess) and uses about 10 times the electricity I think (I'm guessing a US peak capacity of ~800GW).

The whole of the EU however is maybe 50% larger in population terms than the US, though probably has a smaller total electricity generation capacity and consumption than the US, and is in many ways as bizarre and fragmented as the US grid I guess.

Rgds

Damon

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Re: US has a third world electric grid (3.00 / 0) (#24)
by ghurd on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:53:39 PM MST
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We use (as in waste) far too much power.
No one can explain to me why a janitor flicks a single switch lighting 50,000^2 feet to sweep 120^2 foot offices, one at a time.
I have asked.  Most often the explaination is "installing switches is expensive".  That must be the advanced definition of 'stupid'.

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Re: US has a third world electric grid (3.00 / 0) (#25)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 02:02:09 PM MST
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Doubling the price of electricity a couple of times would help make not installing the switches clearly expensive even to the most myopic and sociopathic execs and bean counters...  B^>

Rgds

Damon

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