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VAWT land | 25 comments (25 topical, 0 editorial)
Re: VAWT land (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by windstuffnow (elenz(at)windstuffnow(dot)com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 04:42:05 PM MST
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  For maximum extraction, on a drag machine, the turbine needs to be loaded to a TSR of 0.33 or 1/3 of the wind speed.  The closer it gets to a TSR of 1 the less power it can extract.  

  For instance, if the blade, or drum, is moving away from the wind as fast as the wind is commng in then there can't be any power extraction.  

  On another note, the efficiency of the savonius type blade is very close to the Betz limit when loaded if you consider the actual wind it's extracting from.   As an example, the wind is moving at 10mph the turbine is loaded to a TSR of .33 or moving away from the wind at 3.3 mph your actually extracting energy from a 6.7 mph wind.   Unfortunately, after you subtract the up wind blade drag and other machine inefficiencies the power is considerably lower.  Since your only extracting energy from one side of the turbine it makes it look like it's not very efficient overall when in reality the blade or drum is actually extracting energy more efficiently than alot of "good" turbines that are out there.

 Put that 1/2 drum on a linear alternator and run it in a straight line for a mile or two it would have better efficiencies than almost all the turbines being built.  You may need to run the return drums in a tunnel below the main run to reduce the losses.

  Unfortunately they just don't do so well in a circle...

;O)
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Have Fun! Windstuff Ed
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Re: VAWT land (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by tecker on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 05:26:11 PM MST
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Yep the half drum will start backward  untill it hits the entry point the drag there has very little lift to reguage .

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Re: VAWT land (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by tecker on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 06:19:10 PM MST
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I 've watched the air on the upwind side of the two halves the air gets split as the work cycle starts . In misty weather you see the air gush to the outside and there's not as much air that goes through the turbine as the model shows . I've seen some videos of darius Halve drum combos that look powerful

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Re: VAWT land (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by vawtman (vawtman(at)charter(dot)net) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 06:45:38 PM MST
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Darrius half drum combo's ?

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Re: VAWT land (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by tecker on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 10:48:10 PM MST
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This one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiqrpjy-f4

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