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Re: Rewind (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Ungrounded Lightning Rod on Mon Aug 4th, 2008 at 02:43:53 PM MST
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Huh?

The generated voltage goes up with the turns ratio for a given RPM.  Resistive voltage drop is a separate (though related) issue.

If the total cross section of the wire is kept constant by resizing in proportion to the change in turn count (which is also what you want for fitting it into the slots), then at the same power output you'll get the same percentage of power lost to heating.  The current will have scaled down in proportion to the turns ratio, resulting in the same voltage drop per turn.  So the voltage drop will have scaled with the voltage.

The only thing that won't just scale is eddy current losses in the copper, which will go down due to breaking the constant cross section of copper into thinner pieces using the finer wire, thus eliminating some of the eddy current loops.  (Much like laminating a magnetic core to cut eddy current losses there.)  But this is a small part of the losses.

Now you WILL have lower current output for any given amount of power generation, and resistive losses go with the SQUARE of the current.  So if this is a battery charging application (where output voltage is constant at the battery voltage and CAPTURED energy is thus proportional to current) the percentage lost to resistance heating at a given CURRENT output will go up due to the increase in resistance.

The original poster didn't say why he wants to rewind, or what his load is (batteries, heaters, etc.)  I'm presuming he's not changing his loads and is after usable power at lower winds.  If so, the cost - with battery charge or resistive loads - is higher percentage losses to stator heating at higher winds and a lower furling point to prevent burnout.  But he might end up with more usable power, depending on his site's wind regime, even if he has to lower his peak collection.

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Re: Rewind (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by oztules (oztules__at__bigpond.com) on Mon Aug 4th, 2008 at 03:08:04 PM MST
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ULR,
Seedler was using a auto transformer to get up to the higher volts before to feed a grid connect inverter. So his output was already less current and more voltage than his original windings.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2008/8/1/141124/1643

Flux has indicated "Whatever the cause, the failure you have has all the symptoms of a faulty stator, it is a rewind and you can now change the turns and wire size to replace the nuisance of a transformer and get it running as originally intended. Don't use Chinese bearings in the rebuild either."

Seedler, yes turns/volt gave you the 240v, and the same turns/volt will dictate your new winding number.

.........oztules

Flinders Island Australia
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Re: Rewind (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by oztules (oztules__at__bigpond.com) on Mon Aug 4th, 2008 at 03:09:39 PM MST
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Crap.... ULR sorry, you seem to have resolved the problem while I was writing the above reply

.........oztules
Flinders Island Australia
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