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Pivot for tilt up three-sided tower | 15 comments (15 topical, editorial)
Re: Pivot for tilt up three-sided tower (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by SparWeb (sparweb at ANTISPAM_hotmail_com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 12:06:42 AM MST
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Ed,

I have my doubts.  I can bend a 36" long piece of 1/2" rod with my bare hands...
Why didn't you get a 1" pipe, which costs about the same at the hardware store?  Much stiffer, stronger - more meat for the abuse a tower must take.

I looked at your pictures, and the bent pole over your garage sort-of stands out as a warning.

I can't guess how you will be raising/lowering the tower with it all beside the garage like that.  Swing side to side?  Pull up against the roof of the shed?
Steven Fahey



Re: Pivot for tilt up three-sided tower (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by elt on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 07:56:44 AM MST
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Hi Steven,

> I can't guess how you will be raising/lowering the tower

The tower will go against my workshop, a 24'x32' building, not the shed in the picture. I'll reinforce the workshop wall, like I did in the shed, and use a pulley to redirect a winch cable off to the far side.

> I can bend a 36" long piece of 1/2" rod

I can't say that these formulas are the right ones to use or that my interpretations are correct:

What I found for mild steel gives a yield strength of 40,000 psi. That'd be a strength of 40000 psi times a cross sectional area (.25" x .25" x pi) for your 1/2" rod = 7854 pounds. Grabbing it on the ends give you a 144 :: 1 mechanical advantage so it takes 7854 / 144 = 54 pounds to deform the rod. Does that sound about right? (give or take a bit?)

An inch long bolt of the same material would have the same strength (or less because of the threads) but you can't bend it in your hands; you don't have the same mechanical advantage.

> Why didn't you get a 1" pipe [?]

I looked at pipe... It all came down to thinking that whatever I fabricated, eventually it would be held to the concrete base with a 1/2" or 5/8" anchor bolt... a half inch of steel was going to be the weak link in the chain. Given that, it didn't appear to me that the other parts mattered so I did away with them.

But maybe my thinking is the weak link of the chain!

 - Ed.


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Re: Pivot for tilt up three-sided tower (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by SparWeb (sparweb at ANTISPAM_hotmail_com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 09:14:36 AM MST
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Your way of looking at the narrow question of strength of materials won't get you into too much trouble, but your back-of-the-envelope calcs won't get you far when you have to deal with the larger structure, and there are many questions to answer.

Structural engineering is interesting enough that I enjoy it, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.  If you want to go further, then you really must get a hold of an engineer (or at least a student) and maybe pick up an engineering textbook or two (the student would also be a good source for that).

There's a 2.5" diameter pipe rotating inside a 3" diameter pipe at the base of my tower.  Bolted into the concrete through an angle.  Welded together.  Easy to make.  Could pull a dumptruck out of quicksand.  You did the same amount of work, but it won't get a VW out of a ditch.

Reducing size and weight is valuable in aircraft.  Please reassure me that you don't want your tower to fly away!

Steven Fahey
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