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Micro-Hydro Elect. System from Pump | 10 comments (10 topical, editorial)
beyond what wdyasq said.... (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by DanG on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 08:48:34 AM MST
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Swamps can be called ponds too - the topography & hydrological details are missing from your post. Also missing is to what end does this water get used for - recycling certain effluents w/o treatment back to a pond is a good way to kill the pond.

The energy required to move 120 gallons per minute is a very large amount. In an hour that is 60,000 pounds of water and at our MN urban electrical costs gets close to 80-cents an hour. The collective buying power of the utility's customer base has a lot of weight behind it, is it's been said on this forum to start calculating RE electricity at 75-cents an hour when all costs are considered so you'd be looking at $3.60 an hour to run that same pump with alternative energy sources. Yes, those figures would make an accountant scream for supporting facts but the above is just a crude outline to reveal the hidden costs.

As a comparison, using a brisk stream flow to turn a paddle wheel it would take three of these pumps (http://tinyurl.com/spiralpump) twenty-four hours to accomplish what that 5-Hp pump can output in an hour. If you have the flowing/dropping water keeping the mechanical to electrical to mechanical losses down by streamlining to a direct pump action is money saved. Constructing a tank on high ground to 'bank' non-grid work effort until demanded is also money saved.

If you have acreage and silage available putting in some type of oil seed crop and a screw-press extractor to burn bio-diesel in a primitive Lister style diesel for pumping water might be a viable alternative...



The waters getting muddy...there's a lot to learn (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by cookgraygoose on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 11:41:29 AM MST
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Ok, I feel like I'm back in school again.  Somehow I just don't seem to be able to retain as much as back then though. The birthdays are starting to show up more.  The pond is about 20 feet deep where we will be pulling from and is colored like tea.  It reflects the cypress trees and often is so still it looks like a mirror and the clouds float slowly by.  The bass can be seen jumping and the brim steal your bait.  If you know anything about our water then you know it's some of the cleanest anywhere in spite of the tannins.  The main pond is at least 18 acres and the back pond that feeds it just a few. There are two streams going into the pond now and the overflow isn't running right now as the ponds more than a foot low.  So the dam wouldn't be a source for a water power except after an unusually heavy rain. In the "old" days water coolers used a slatted wooden frame for the water to flow over for oxygenation.  There's no reason that the used water can't flow over one of these if needed as they are easy built and cypress is available as redwood is not. I dreamed this morning that if this would work in a pond, why not in a swimming pool?

Let's see where I'm at now.

Single phase = hp x 746 watts divided (can't find a symbol for that here) by voltage = amps pulled

Motor hp x 100 divided by voltage = amps

If you don't know the hp, take voltage x amps pulled divided by 746 = hp
Can check with voltmeter.

KW?   Volts x amp divided by 1000 = kilowatts

1000 kilowatts = 1 amp

A light bulb,  i.e.; 75 watts divided by 120 volts = 1.63 amp

  1. watts = 1 hp, running
  2. hp = 8640 watts or 8.64 amps (Not calculating surge at start up)
Installing a "vent" to release the water pressure on the lines would reduce the startup surge on pump.
  1. gpm generates 10, 000 watts divided by 240 volts = 41.67 amps ( Harris turbine) $3000.
  2. 67 - 8.64 = 32.93 gain before subtracting the known 40% loss that I read somewhere.
If you are going to hook up more than one turbine/generator you need to build a roto phase converter...and you can have a generator converted for around $3 to 400.00 for the "high leg or bastard leg". I'm getting stretched out here now, is the limb about to break?  There's more, but for now that is enough.  I hear the crows calling and my pecan crop this year is probably just 5% of last years and I need to beat the crows to them...lol.

Oh, in answer to your idea about the silage, we are already trying to grow blueberries and that was the reason we got the pumps.  They keep our seedlings irrigated.  All the land not in pines we hope to have in berries.

Thanks for your replies, I'll keep plugging away at this and see where I go. It seems that I have been looking at "small" systems and need to go to the larger ones.  Social security just doesn't go far and I need my air like up north needs heat.  Sure can't take off enough to get cool. Wiil check back tonight.  m


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Re: beyond what wdyasq said.... (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by vawtman (vawtman(at)charter(dot)net) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:52:57 PM MST
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 Maybe she could use chicken gas :) to power a generator.Not sure how big the operation is though.

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Micro-Hydro Elect. System from Pump | 10 comments (10 topical, 0 editorial)

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