Have fun, Scott. [ Parent ]
If it hits the fan that big, I will take solace with my FALs, AKs, G3s, etc, relax on my cases of (formerly) cheap Greek, steel-cased Commie, etc ammo, knowing that a CFL won't do any good in the big picture. A few big caps from teenagers stereos in brightly painted Hondas will do what needs done.
But that's just me. G-[ Parent ]
This is illustrative as to why the USA will be in much worse shape than the USSR was when it collapsed. A heavy-handed police state will not be able to contain Rodney-King style riots from coast to coast. In the eventuality, our leaders will follow their pre-programmed evolutionary logarithms, initiating war to galvanize the masses, while attempting to secure the resources necessary to restore national prosperity. Rome didn't have nukes back then. We do. [ Parent ]
I find your assertion this is your thread offensive.
Your decision to trust in the civility of humans in a crisis is commendable if rather unrealistic.
The question is: How long before it evaporates as you watch lowlifes abuse your family & friends? Then you will wish you had a person like those rednecks Tom and Glen sitting in the brush 150 yards off with a scoped rifle dialed in on the bad guys cranium. Fair or not, violence has its uses. So does wringing your hands and talking it over but which is immediately effective?
Storing dry batteries in preparation for some post apocalyptic scenario is not something I would waste resources on personally. Then, again, you have not revealed your true purpose so who knows what you plan?
Just my thoughts.
Tom
"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain[ Parent ]
"you will wish you had a person like those rednecks Tom and Glen sitting in the brush 150 yards off with a scoped rifle dialed in on the bad guys cranium"
Sounds like you suffer from "redneck anarchy-fantasy syndrome". Right up there with "if you plug 'em on the porch, drag 'em back thru the door."
Reducing the collapse to such a simple set of ideas may give you some comfort, but crying babies, toothaches, hunger, and tears will stock you with a greater ruthless persistence than any imagined boogieman, offering no clear target for your cold blue steel. [ Parent ]
When in a hole, the best policy is to stop digging, IMHO.
Rgds
Damon
PS. If you want to get your rocks off screaming at me, please do so, since it's a lot safer than bawling Tom out.[ Parent ]
Thread ownership is not granted or implied. Post ownership is granted by the terms of use... they are not the same thing.
I happen to be a combat wounded veteran [VietNam] with multiple confirmed kills. had buddies blown to blood spatters shot up, etc right in front of me, too. You obviously do not know me or my personal experience in life.
I am not living some movie induced fantasy. I have lived with the ramifications of having been shot every day for nearly 40 years with a unreliable and painful leg. No complaints just reality. I know the difference between violence in "Quake" and violence on flesh and blood.
I am far from powerless. We own property free and clear so we have a place pretty much regardless of what happens in the financial markets like you see now. We grow food we make our own power at a level sufficient to survive well. I can hunt our own land and we heat with wood.
This is not by accident that we are in this position. We saw it coming long ago and positioned ourselves for survivability by not buying all the crap folks think they "need" and sinking money into land and useful tools instead. As well as learning skills to survive. How about you?
There is this fine old American tradition called self reliance that we embraced long ago. It seems to be missing in most Americans today. I call them sheep mostly now because thats how they act.
I am not some pimple faced kid in his moms basement spouting bull, you know.
You still didn't tell us what it is you foresee doing with the stored batteries?
Thats where my curiosity lies.
The rest I suggest we just agree to disagree and let it go at that.
Then we can find out what you plan to do that you think you need dry batteries.
Obviously, you're not a Nintendo commando, but a real baby-killer.
I was way off the mark. A gulf of misunderstanding. Communication breakdown. We're all much worse off than I've anticipated. Perhaps our current troubles don't have their root in agriculture, as some have suggested, but written language. I am awed by the power of the non sequitur...
Dry-charged lead acid:
Agriculture is tough without irrigation. I homestead on top of a hill. Water at bottom of hill, 1/4 mile distant. Pumping that water would make gardening easier. I would like to use an LCB. However, to beat voltage drop, I need an LCB rated for 90v, and a pump/motor, 90v/2A. This would necessitate linking several of my panels in series, at the expense of my wattage, which I'd like to avoid. Hence, I'm back to using batteries/inverter/diode-bridge. The batteries are the weak link between myself and supper. Thus, I think it worthwhile to get a few extras. Also, I am planning a move to a remote geography, and if this is successful, I'd like to take a few spares with me. There will come a time when replacements and spares are unobtainable, especially at the far reaches of the supply chain. Might need to charge the night-vision gear; who knows?[ Parent ]
$20 worth of bullets will not get you far. About 100 rounds Not even cover the first day.
I'm in the NW part of the country, but will be moving to a more tropical local if I am lucky. Where you?[ Parent ]
If things go bad Brighton near Detroit MI is not the place to be. That was why I was looking for some place else!! I have 30 days of food, lights and water indefinitely 100w solar
Do you have a family? I'd say if it is only you, then move someplace warm, before winter, before a banking lockup. For the price of an airline ticket, you could go refugee in Australia, Hawaii, New Zealand, Fiji, Cozmel. If you have a modest amount of cash, you could rent a small place in Mexico for cheep, near an agricultural area, pay to vaccinate the local children, and ingratiate yourself with the locals. Use your imagination. You have a passport, right? [ Parent ]
Children grown, locally. Difficult to get wife to move. Been laid off almost a year, enjoying the free time too much!! Want early retirement! Passport is up to date.
Sister in law in Mexico, loves it. Will join her if things get bad.
Back in 84-85 I worked at a gas station for $3.35/hour. Gas was about $1.65. I was paid "2 gallons an hour". Now, gas is $3.64 (this morning), and the guy working there gets $7.25/hour. He is paid "2 gallons an hour".
At the time, I had a Coupe de Ville that got about 14MPG. He probably has a Honda that gets 35MPG. He works less hours to go 100 miles than I did back in the days of cheap gas. Less % of his minimum wage pay check goes to 100 miles of gas. Almost like gas got cheaper?
Big Mac value meal costs the same too, slightly less than 1 hours wage then and now.[ Parent ]
Years later, repeat felons got tired of being identified by their victims, and getting increasingly longer repeat prison terms, so...They began killing their victims so nobody could identify them. Most states don't actively enforce the duly voted-in death penalty. They would just be going to prison anyway if they were caught, so why not kill witnesses? (law of un-intended consequences?)
I lived in Los Angeles during the LA riots. I worked at McDonnel Douglas in North Long Beach (I also lived at 804 N Thorsen in Compton in 1964). During the riots, the police were so overwhelmed, they stopped responding to 911 calls. Criminals committed many crimes knowing that the police would not answer the phone.
Police Chief Gates issued an unconstitutional moratorium in Los Angeles County on gun pick-ups and ammunition sales. Citizens who had already paid and waited their 3 weeks could not pick up the guns the law said they should be allowed to. Thousands flocked to Orange County down the 5 freeway to B&B gun warehouse to buy ammunition for guns they already had for their defense.
After hurricane Andrew in Florida, police were unable to contain roving packs of looters for a week (National Guard arrived, curfew). One homeowner was able to repel them by merely brandishing a .22, that was all it took.
After I saw what Gates did, I bought a 12-Ga pump shotgun (with shoulder strap) that would accept 3" shells in addition to the standard 2-7/8"-ers. Also a .357 pistol, and later a cheap Chinese SKS semi-auto army rifle.
Other than the standard items often cited (water, canned food, etc) I would also recommend anti-biotics and pain-killers (broken leg/hospital swamped, etc)
Another country to add to the list might be Costa Rica, I've heard good things.
I believe the price of lead will probably go up even more. Demand rising, no sigificant new mines...[ Parent ]
Better revisit Costa Rica idea. Friend bought property for retirement there, planed 20+ years the move. Learned the language etc. Retirement came he moved. Less than a year later he was back...? Local rebels took him and wife at gun point, tossed both in the trunk of their car. Rebels drove around for 4 hours discussing whether to kill them or not, they wanted to make an example to other Americans. Lucky for them they chose not. Local police did nothing. Next day returned to MI. I would have burned my place so another could not get seduced into moving.
